Ep. 12 - Lester "Biff" Bourgeois Jr : Fresh Electric Cypress Knees For RENT
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You're listening to the Miracles in Meat Podcast. I'm Shane Thibodeau,
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the fourth generation butcher at one of the oldest meat markets in the world.
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My great-grandfather started this business by slaughtering one cow or pig at
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a time and selling the cuts door-to-door on horse and buggy.
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Today, our products were enjoyed across the globe. I will attempt to give you
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some insight as to how we got here and explore the challenges we've had along the way.
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At Bourgeois, our mission is to preserve our heritage generation after generation
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through legendary Cajun flavors and the development of relationships, not customers.
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Since 1891, Bourgeois has maintained age-old culinary traditions that fueled
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the South Louisiana lifestyle.
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Over the past 133 years, our Cajun products have gained global recognition,
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and for tens of thousands of
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folks around the world, the Bourgeois Cajun Lady logo is a symbol of home.
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Today, the fourth-generation butchers sit at the nine-foot maple
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block with loyal customers to discuss the adventures skills and passions that
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guide each of their legacies these conversations will become priceless resources
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for future generations of any industry this is our way of maintaining the spirit
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purpose and traditions of our lost arts in the world of change 133 years.
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Okay, episode 12. This one is long overdue.
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Lester Bourgeois Jr., otherwise referred to as Biff, Biffy, or in my case,
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Uncle Biff, is the oldest of seven children to come from Lester and Rita Bourgeois,
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who are my grandparents.
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He is an important influence when it comes to anything Bourgeois-related.
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I believe our sense of humor and maybe our ingenuity and whatever other weird
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things that we all have in common were the result of his years and years of
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behind-the-scenes planning and social experimentation,
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which I believe started when he moved out of the house and into the original meat market,
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which was across the street from here at 12 years old.
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We will get into that and more. Here we go, Uncle Beth.
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Well, I've learned in this marriage, because my wife's very open to me,
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that it's not my volume of my voice.
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People hear that I'm talking, but they don't hear what I'm saying.
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I don't know if it's the way I talk or maybe my tone of voice or maybe my expression
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of my face, But she says, well, you're talking, but we don't get it. We got to say what?
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Plus, I slur a little bit like Brian did. Sometimes we got going. I slur.
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And sometimes I wonder if it's me. I wonder if I have a problem.
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I do wonder that a lot. No, I do have a problem.
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But don't hear me. They hear me, but they don't hear what I'm saying.
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I slur. I hate hearing myself speak.
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I think that's universal. Sure it is. But I get actively frustrated in the moment
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when I'm trying to talk. I can't find the words.
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I get stuck in the middle of a sentence and I forget the whole sentence.
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And I'm always searching for the perfect word and I can't.
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And it drives me insane to listen to myself.
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This is, I don't know if this is helping or hurting.
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I think it's helping in the long run. I think if I do it for an extended period
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of time, if I keep doing this, I think I'll get better at speaking.
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So that's one reason to do it.
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Well, you already have something that I have, you know, your normal thing to
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do is to what you've always done.
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To make yourself conscious of talking every time you speak, I don't normally
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do that. But I talk too fast also.
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That's also a problem with me. You don't have that problem.
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You're easy to understand when you speak. So I'm going to try to slow down a little bit.
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Yeah. When you're excited about what you're talking about, it's easy to go really, really fast.
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And with me, and maybe this is kind of with all of us, I'm probably not going
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to speak unless it's something I'm really excited about.
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So if I'm speaking, I'm probably excited about it, and I'm probably going to rush through it.
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Yeah. Being an introvert, you want to get it in before everybody loses interest in you.
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Or at least to myself. Yeah. As long as I can say it to where I can hear it.
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I understand myself. I'm fine. You want to hear yourself and get to the end of it. Right.
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All right, Uncle Biff. This is, I don't know. This is going to be episode 12 or so.
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So we're a little late. We wanted to kind of get your perspective on,
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on everything around here a bit toward the beginning of, of the series,
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but just hadn't happened yet. So here we go.
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And we'll get into like a little bit of family stuff first and then just see where it goes.
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So you are one of seven. Yes.
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Technically, you were one of eight, correct? Would have been.
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If that's true, I don't know about it. Okay.
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Maybe I thought that I heard that. No, they may have been something I never
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heard. Maybe they didn't tell you.
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Maybe they did. We'll double check that. That could be wrong.
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Okay. And I'll do a bunch of stuff like that throughout the podcast.
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I'll just say things that are not true and just see if they are.
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My uncle had one. He lost one. Okay.
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I don't know why I thought maybe that. And he wound up having seven and he would
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have eight. Maybe it was Papa's.
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Did Papa have a sibling? Yes. He lost one.
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Okay. In his 30s. Okay. Maybe it was something like that.
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So you're one of seven. And what's the age difference between you and Uncle
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John would be the baby, right?
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I think 10 or 11 years.
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And that's, okay.
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That helps me because Aubrey's nine and Walker was just born.
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So now I can kind of see the age difference because that's hard to,
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it's hard to see in your head unless you have something to look at.
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So something I've heard since I was a kid was that you moved out of the house
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around 9 years old, 10 years old.
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The summer of my sixth grade, I guess I'd have been 12 or 13.
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Okay. And was it because Uncle John was born?
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No, it wasn't a technical moving out. It just ended up being a moving out.
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And it wasn't even complete because all I had was, it was like a bedroom.
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And you took all your stuff and you moved to the old market.
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The old meat market, yeah. So the old meat market is not where it is.
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It's not the one that right now we call the old market. It was the one that's
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in Papa's driveway across the street from the old original meat market. Yes.
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And it was like sort of a shop, a little Cypress shop. It was a Cypress building.
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I can take a guess. I would say 12 by maybe 40.
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Okay. And the back end, away from the highway, you might have had a 12 by,
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I would think 12 by 12 room where they slaughtered and cooked the rice for the
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boudins and scalded the pigs.
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They had a rut in the concrete running from the house end of the building across
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the short way across 12 feet into the ditch that was on the left side of the yard for drainage.
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And that part, the 12 by 12 part, had bricks for the bottom,
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I would guess, two feet all the way around.
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What do you mean bricks for the- A brick wall all the way around.
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Not raised up. It wasn't raised. The whole building wasn't raised up, right? No, no.
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It had a concrete slab and then it had the brick, 12 by 12 brick wall.
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Then it had wood. The cypress went to the roof or to the ceiling and then a
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roof. the front part of the market, after the 12 feet and that other brick wall
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towards the highway, the rest of that was just on pillars and it was all wood.
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And it was off the ground. And what year were you born?
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55. 55. So... This building we're in right now was built in 55.
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Okay. So around 65 to maybe 67, that's when you...
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Moved out. You kind of moved out, kind of just took your pillow and your blanket,
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and you went to sleep in the meat market.
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I started doing it on a weekend. Every weekend, it wasn't a school night.
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Mom, Dad said it was okay. I went to sleep in a moment. I slept on top of the...
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Rolls of wrapping paper that he stored in there. He got a better price if he
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bought a few pallets of that. So we'd stack it up in there.
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So I would arrange it so I could have a little higher part on the side and a
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pillow. The butcher paper? Yeah, it was standing on there. Okay.
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So I wouldn't have to be on the floor.
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And a few years later, he started stocking his hamburger patty boxes in there.
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And they would stack almost to the ceiling. So I made a little place in there and I'd slept there.
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And eventually, I got a cut. I bet that was nice. But after a few months, the summer came.
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And then since it wasn't school and I'd been doing it every weekend,
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instead of asking I just says well there's no school in the summer so I started
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just sleeping in there every night and nothing was ever said from then on and
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I stayed there till I got married I was 25 and I moved out and the other two
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boys so y'all the upstairs at Pawpaw's there's a boys room girls room three
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boys in the boys room three girls in the girls room,
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okay so the other three boys stayed they knew where you were though they knew
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you were at the home I'm going to assume they knew that. Okay.
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I never asked them if they knew where it was. And what about mama and papa?
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They knew where it was, yeah. Did they fight it at all? No. Nothing was spoken.
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Okay. What do you mean nothing was spoken? They didn't say a word.
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I didn't ask them. I didn't tell them what I was going to do.
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What the story I just told you is literally how it happened.
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I did ask the first one or two times if I could do it on the weekend.
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I said, yeah, I guess. She said, I guess my mama didn't like it because it didn't
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have a bathroom. It wasn't clean.
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It was like a shed.
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But anyway, and plus she said, oh, it's going to be cold. And I have an air
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condition. I didn't have air conditioning, didn't have heating.
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You know, a boy doesn't care, and daddy knew that that wasn't an issue at all,
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so he never even spoke on that.
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Did you have a—were you using a gas burner or lighting fires?
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In the old market? Yeah. Well, there was a gas burner under the pot where they
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scalded the pigs and cooked the rice with a boudin in the slaughterhouse.
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In the front part, there was a gas nozzle there, so Mama wanted them giving
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me one of those asbestos grating heaters.
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I don't know if you remember those. They had a little backing with little gratings
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setting up, and the fire was at the bottom, and it would heat the grating up
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and kind of radiate a little heat. Yeah, like she had in her bathroom?
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Except it was floor standing. It wasn't built in the wall. It was floor standing.
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And those were all over the place at the time. I haven't seen those in years.
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But I did have that in there.
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But the thing is, the battings on the outside, many of them were loose and flapping.
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So if there was a north wind on the side, I felt the wind laying in my bed.
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Like if it was 20 degrees off about a 30, it would blow right on me.
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So it couldn't build up heat. If I wanted to feel the heat, I'd have to get
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within three or four feet from it and stand. I could warm up.
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And I'm sure it dropped a few degrees
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in the winter, but I was in a down sleeping bag and I got used to it.
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And what would you do every day? What was the day like?
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Well, when I was in school. Let's say off of school.
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Okay. Were you working at the time? Let's see, at that age, I would work all
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day on Saturdays. I would go after school.
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Just till they closed. Now, within a couple of years, he bought the hamburger patty machine.
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Before that, we only made a lot of patties for the fares by hand with the little hinged cup thing.
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We made a lot of patties. Do you remember how many?
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I have a number that I heard of. I don't have any numbers from what we were doing by hand.
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The most I ever remember doing with the machine later on was, I think, $20,000. Okay.
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But that's the only food that had, that and hot dog. Well, that's what I heard.
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I heard there was a year right now, our rough average, I'd say is 20,000.
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We'll do 18 to 25,000. I'd say that's our, that's, that's kind of our average.
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I heard there was a 40,000 year.
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And I heard that, I don't believe this, but I did hear that that was before the patting machine.
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And it was because the only two foods were hamburgers and hot dogs.
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You didn't have the jambalaya and the gumbos and the etouffee.
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So it was just hamburgers, hot dogs, and Pawpaw supplied both of those.
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And the burgers were made by hand, and it was $40,000. That's what I heard.
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And the reason I can believe that is because at that age, if I have these numbers
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I pull up, it's just I happen to overhear that, and it's stuck in my memory.
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I didn't ask. I didn't keep track of how many we're making this year.
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I just got up there and we started making. I didn't need to know all that.
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So that's a number I remember. So, yeah, that's very possible because it was
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several days and with no freezer, we had to stay on it. And we'd stay off the hours sometimes.
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Man. Was –.
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None none of the family ever joined the fire department right
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no but daddy and his brother were in the
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fire department when i was born so i i think i
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have the picture somewhere of pawpaw with the first thibodeau fire department
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gave shriever the old fire truck okay so it was and uncle cap was the fire chief
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and daddy was in the fire department so it was shriever's first truck came as
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a hand-me-down from thibodeau yes cool uh that picture is somewhere i'd like
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to uh i got it I'll pull that up somewhere.
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Okay. So what's, so what did a day look like when you're, you're not working
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in the, in the market at that young age, like 10, 10, 12, were you,
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did you have to go back to the house and do chores for the house also?
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No, the boy, the other boys and girls did, I never had any chores at the house. Okay. Ever.
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Because he's, I was the only one he used here. I don't know why.
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I mean, I was the oldest probably.
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And so you had work, they had chores. Yeah. Sort of. They even salted the hodges,
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you know, and they cut the grass.
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Okay. The girls did housework and different things, whatever it was to do around there.
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I liked to, I had a, well, at 12, I didn't have a dog.
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I got my first pet dog around senior in high school, and I'd go in the field with him a lot.
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But even before that, I'd go walk in the field with my bow a lot. I just walked around.
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I didn't kill a bunch of stuff. I just loved being back there. Was that sugar cane?
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Yeah. And they had the little tiny strip of woods, but that was my world.
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But the same as it is now? Yes. Or there was woods closer? No.
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No woods. So if you want to go to the woods, you have to go all the way back, right?
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Yeah. Same as when I was, that's how I remember it as a kid. Yep.
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Now, there was no road going all the way back where it is now.
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It had one patch of cane and it had what we call the first curve.
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It went to the right all the way to other apartments and all now.
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There was a gravel road back to a little oil pumping location,
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whatever it was, gas pumping back there. And that's how I got to the woods.
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Do you remember customers coming into the old market?
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I have no memories of that being open. None of that? No, because it was open
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the year I was born. Oh, okay. So it was straight here when you.
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Yeah, I have no memories of it functioning over there. Gotcha.
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And when was that building taken down?
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Something like 83, 84. So you were in college. I was living in Homo. Okay. Married.
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And I found out later that daddy resisted that for a while. And the reason he gave me is a reason.
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But I think he wanted to keep it. The mom always thought it was a nuisance.
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We didn't use it for anything. We didn't use it for storage anymore.
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And it was just a shed that was, you know, to her it was useless.
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She didn't have that nostalgic feeling like daddy or I would have had.
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And I'm not saying it was for sure he didn't want it to either,
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but he did use me for an excuse I was told. Eventually he did tear down.
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All right. So that's why that Christmas he gave me that piece of it that he
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saved for me. And what did that say?
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Miracles and scents? okay
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it said old market since meat in
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1905 okay that's not what
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it was supposed to say but that's what the board has carved on it right and bo
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i think bo has that now yes a piece
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of the old market and that was built when 1905 is when i was that was the best
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guess my oldest uncle had right okay that was his best guess and an uncle built
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it no the my grandpa's and i never met built it okay.
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Okay gotcha the oldest uncle was not even born when it was built but he was
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old enough to have a better memory of when when he was told it was built so that's why we asked him,
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so 1905 was the best guess he had and right now across the street they're removing
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the rest of the old house on the side so that would have been your grandpa's
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that would have been your Or Ulysses?
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My grandpa was born there and grew up there. My great-grandpa lived there.
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Okay. And in my daddy's time, only his grandmother lived there when he was small.
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Okay. Then they sold it out of the family.
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Yeah. What's that like? What's that like seeing that going away?
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The thing is, I was never- You never?
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Have you- I was told that when I was in my 40s. That it was happening?
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That that used to be in the family. I didn't know it was. Okay.
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Gotcha. Although I did know that the house I grew up in was the carriage house for that. I heard that.
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Yeah. I didn't know that growing up, but I didn't know we ever owned both.
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Mm-hmm. You know, so that got split up at that time.
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When my grandpa bought the property that the carriage house was on and he made
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it into a house, when he bought that, the property was separated.
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So when my great-grandma sold that, all that and the property went with it behind there.
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And it sounds like they're going to keep those two fireplace chimneys up and
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do something with them, whether it's like a little awning and a little outdoor areas.
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But man, it's going to be really, really cool to see if they actually do that.
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Whenever it came for sale, we were interested in the property,
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and that was one of the first things.
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Man, I'd save that thing, make a little front yard awning, and keep it functioning.
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It'd be so cool with it, yeah. You know, in the 70s and 80s,
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there were a couple of groups of architects, one in the 70s,
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another group in the 80s, with Merlin Lerett, Noah Lerett's dad.
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They were getting together. They wanted to try to purchase that and renovate
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that old, because they knew it was an old plantation, even though it was a small one.
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But it had historic value, and they wanted to do something with that,
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but the people didn't want to sell either time. Right. Man. They're selling.
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Yep. That's why you just got to ask when you see those things you want.
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You just got to ask. Send them a letter.
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All right. So what was it like, I don't know, maybe transitioning out of being a kid?
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What was it like teenage years, just living in Shriever?
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What was Thibodeau like? What was the family like? Like, what was the,
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yeah, whatever you can remember there. We had cousins over often.
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I guess the most that came over was Uncle Harold's kids. He had eight kids.
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They were over the most often.
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Uncle Cap brought his kids from time to time. They'd come visit.
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And I think, and we didn't go to the cousin's house very often.
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And looking back, I think it's probably because that was the family house that
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the aunts and uncles grew up in.
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So they felt like they were coming back home. It's like we go to Nancy's a lot, us, the siblings.
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So I think that's why we got the visits instead of us going to their house.
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Plus we had a little bigger yard than some of them did.
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And eventually we got that little 15-foot pool and they thought that was heaven.
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They'd love to come to the house just to get wet, you know, and to play in the yard.
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And we'd get the croquet games going. We had holidays.
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We did fireworks and stuff. That was a family thing. We had a once-a-year reunion
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on Mother's Day, extended family reunion.
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Everybody would come to the old house they grew up in.
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I remember those things. But, yeah, cousins were over a lot.
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Cousins were a big part of our life.
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That was a big thing having cousins over. Mine, too. And we're trying to do
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the same thing with the kids, get them close to the cousins.
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And I don't know. There's something about that. And I guess I took for granted
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maybe the closeness of our family growing up in my childhood years and even
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now because it doesn't seem super common when I look at outside of our family.
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I don't hear, there's a couple here and there, but I don't hear the same,
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I don't know, like inclusion of, of the entire family on not family reunion style events,
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but just watching us Saints game or, you know, smaller, smaller stuff.
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Cause that's what I remember growing up is, I don't know, we were over there
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once a week and it wasn't anything special. It was.
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I don't know if that's, we can attribute that to being a bourgeois thing or
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if it's something that's, sometime I think it might be, have something to do with big families.
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Big families, people that are from big families a lot of times are more family-oriented.
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So I don't know if it's, I don't know which one of those two or maybe neither.
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I'm not sure why we were like that, but we were.
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You know, our parents were, so we were.
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Maybe you kind of grow up needing to be around.
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Around you don't know what to do and you're not around all the
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commotion you know yeah he gave
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us something to do to we stayed out we never got any big trouble we
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got fussed for stuff but it was nothing big but that
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was a big big thing and i thought it was a good thing i liked i liked that we
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had cousins around often what would y'all do oh man we played games we we listened
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to music sometimes but not much we were outside most of the time we'd play hide
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and seek we'd play we'd And whatever season it was, if it was football,
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baseball season, whatever it was, we'd be out in the front yard,
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including the girls that were old enough to play to.
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We did a lot of that. And like I said, the croquet thing, that was a bourgeois
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thing. We got into the croquet thing.
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That became a big thing after a while. Y'all did some kind of no rules croquet.
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I heard stories. Not no rules.
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That's strange because I just recirculated the rules this week and I got a lot
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of comments. No, we used all the croquet rules just like they're in the book, except one.
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Boundaries. Yeah, that's the only rule we changed. So you removed the boundaries.
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Yes. And that- That's the only thing we changed. That makes it funner.
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It made all the difference. I don't think we'd have been very interested in
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the game without that. All right.
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So y'all started in the front of the market right here in Pawpaw's front yard by the big oak tree.
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And what's the furthest a ball has been known to lay?
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Good question, because you have furthest and then you have most difficult to
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come back from. Okay, I see you're both of those.
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The furthest would be one of the ones, I think three times, if you time it just
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right, but it's hard, you could get a ball and you put your foot on your ball.
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And if you push down hard enough, then your ball is lower than the other ball.
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So when you hit hard, it would launch. So now you've got a ball that's bounding and bouncing.
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And if an 18-wheeler was coming and you timed it just right,
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you could get it, maybe the truck to hit it and knock it down the road.
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I remember three different times that happened and I don't know which one was
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the furthest but one went almost to Cortez Street right there,
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whatever the name of the street where the subdivision comes out.
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That would have been one of the furthest.
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We haven't done it more than three but I do remember three distinct times when
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I was playing when somebody got it.
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I never was able to get it on the truck when he was passed before or after or
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it didn't bounce high enough.
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The one that was hardest to come back from, Eric's ball got sent across the
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street between the market and the fence where the gas pump station is and went down into the bayou.
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And back then, the water didn't come all the way to the slopes.
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The water was on a flat part at the bottom, maybe eight or 10 feet wide,
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then you had a flat part, then it sloped up. So the ball was down, not in the water.
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And you got to play it from where it lies. So he had it angled up and he's tried to get out of there.
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And when, you know, you want to give it a good lick, you don't want to barely get out.
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So he gave it a good lick and they made us go, you know, nobody was back there
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with him because he sent the two that went with him to go watch for traffic.
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He didn't want to hit a car. So when nothing was coming, they said,
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okay. And he hit and we heard the cock.
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And then we heard a couple of the sounds and then he came up out of there and
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he comes running out and he says, where did he go? He said, we never saw it.
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So the three of us looked for a few minutes, then the rest of them came across
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the street, and we all started looking for the ball.
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We finally found it. I don't know why we looked, but it had gone up under the
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eave of the cattle pen, where it was on the end, because he didn't quite clear
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the building, because he couldn't see it. It had stuff growing back there.
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Under there, it bounced into the pen, hit the chute gate, bounded down, and went into the drain.
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So it was in the drain, which went straight down. And so it was about 18 inches
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down and you could see it in the elbow.
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So we had to get the cable and push it from the bi-side and get it out.
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So that was an interesting one. Should have made him play it.
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All right. Now let's get into the, let's get into a little bit of the super kite story.
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Because how old were you when, when super kite came around? The first Ubikite,
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I would have been 26 or 27 years old, something like that.
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All right. And how did this come to be and why? Okay.
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We made kites because my daddy made kites. So since I was very small,
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my first memory of a kite before I knew they had store-bought kites was on a Sunday morning.
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Daddy said, come with me to the market. And he had a couple of pieces of wood
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in his hand, planks or something, a small cypress.
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We came into the market. We unlocked it. We were closed. He got on the meat
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saw and started ripping long strips.
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I don't know why he wanted me with him just to watch. Then we went back home,
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and he got some newspaper, and he laid it out on the porch.
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Started falling, and then I realized what he was doing. Oh, that's a kite. Made a kite and went fly.
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Anyway, we did that many times growing up. Not just with me,
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but with the other kids too.
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And he loved getting parachutes, going to steal my mom's silk scarves, and run up.
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He'd make me run the string down under my arm a few hundred feet,
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put a paper clip, and let it up gently.
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Then he would work it up till he got all the way up to where the kite was as
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high as he could get it and give it a jerk and it would release that parachute
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then he said let's go he'd tie off the string we'd jump in the truck and see
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if we could get it and we lost about half of them the other half we were able
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to get to him and retrieve him that's he liked doing that but when i was,
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me and cousin jimmy we must have been in junior high we made a nine foot kite
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just wanted to see if we can make a bigger kite.
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It flew okay, it was kind of chunky, but it flew.
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Couldn't do much with it, it was too heavy. We didn't have any materials,
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we didn't know what we were doing, but it did fly.
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A couple years later- Hand pulled by hand. Yeah, yeah, just a couple of years
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later, me and Jimmy can't remember the size, but we think it was around 12 feet.
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And we had some aluminum tubing, which is why we tried it.
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The house right next to Dad's back there, the brick house, Deanie,
00:28:17.096 --> 00:28:20.916
we used to live in, he was building that house, and he had it blacked in.
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The roof on the side was blacked in.
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And the first time we tried, well, not nearly enough wind. So we waited.
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It was in the spring, so it got a little gusty, but a thunderstorm was coming.
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And we got it up, and it was really gusting hard, and it was getting dark,
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and there was some thunder and lightning.
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We had a metal frame. It was probably dangerous. We didn't have it very high.
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We didn't have nearly enough tear. We weighed on the estimated tail,
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so it's dipping left and right.
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Anyway, it weighed to one side one time, and we couldn't recover it,
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and it punched a hole in Dini's blackened in roof, which we had to repair the next week.
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That's not a problem you run into often, huh? You're building a house,
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and the neighbor's kids crash that kite through the roof.
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That's not very common. Our poor neighbor's lives on both sides,
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that's a whole topic by itself.
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No questions. They had no questions, I'm sure. None of our neighbors had good neighbors.
00:29:15.916 --> 00:29:19.056
But yeah, we did fix it, but that was it for that kite.
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So we had dabbled a little bit in bigger kites just to see what we could do.
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And it was just me and Jimmy, me and Cousin Jimmy.
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So that would have been in the late 60s, real early 70s.
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So much later, I don't know how I started talking about another big kite,
00:29:37.836 --> 00:29:40.036
but others got involved. Our cousin, Andy, T.
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Goob, Eric, my brother-in-law at the time, who was my best friend since first grade.
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We all started talking, and we said, let's make a real big kite.
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So it just snowballed. You know, we're talking, and we each got a little time.
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I had just gotten married.
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I'm living in a homo, so I didn't have as much time to be with them in person.
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But we communicated a lot. The committee had started, so the letters were circulating.
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That always helps spur things on.
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And as far as the size, we figured, well, we got to build it somewhere and store it somewhere.
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So we need the only place inside we had. Daddy said he'd move his boat.
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So we said, well, we got to go measure the doorway. We got to be able to get
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it out. It was two eight-foot doors.
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So we had a 16-foot opening. So we just rounded down to 15 feet.
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And we knew the ratio already is three to five.
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So the height could have been 26 and a few inches. But we said, let's make it 25 by 15.
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And that was the right proportions. So that's how we decided on the size.
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That's the biggest we could store in the barn, say, easily.
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So that's kind of how that evolved. So there was the why did we make kites,
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and then why did we make that size kite? That kind of answered both questions.
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So if the barn would have been a little bigger, the kite would have been bigger?
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I think it would have. Okay. Why not?
00:30:53.576 --> 00:30:55.056
And where'd you get materials?
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There was no internet, so that was a problem. And how'd you fund this project?
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Did anyone pitch in? People came up. Jimmy was in college.
00:31:06.803 --> 00:31:13.043
Tegu was in high school. My brothers and sisters were either in college or high school.
00:31:13.683 --> 00:31:16.683
So I had a full-time job. I was working at the paint store by then.
00:31:17.743 --> 00:31:20.843
So I funded some of the stuff. It didn't want to bring a lot of money.
00:31:21.023 --> 00:31:22.303
We bought a spool of rope.
00:31:23.423 --> 00:31:26.723
Prices weren't that bad. But I couldn't buy it all at once.
00:31:26.963 --> 00:31:30.423
The tubing was the biggest thing. Daddy helped. He paid half of the tubing because
00:31:30.423 --> 00:31:32.423
I had to order that from some company I found.
00:31:32.963 --> 00:31:38.423
You had to call. I don't know how I found this. Like a Roberts Aluminum somewhere. Cool.
00:31:39.183 --> 00:31:42.863
Without the internet, you couldn't just find anything you wanted.
00:31:43.003 --> 00:31:46.623
Even if you had the internet, it's hard to get. We wasn't sure how to even know
00:31:46.623 --> 00:31:47.663
what strength we needed.
00:31:48.583 --> 00:31:53.763
So Jimmy was in engineering, but he wasn't that far along. So we took our best guess. It worked out.
00:31:54.063 --> 00:31:57.643
We got worked out. We bought some tubing. It came in on a truck at the paint
00:31:57.643 --> 00:31:59.403
store because it wouldn't deliver to our residents.
00:31:59.863 --> 00:32:03.843
So we had to strap it to the side of the paint store truck to get it home, 25 feet long pieces.
00:32:03.843 --> 00:32:09.743
Anyway that the paper we got some big rolls of paper they used for pep rallies
00:32:09.743 --> 00:32:13.603
at HR Bourgeois they bought some that they had bought for pep rallies,
00:32:14.263 --> 00:32:17.223
so there was that I don't know who came up with the fringe on
00:32:17.223 --> 00:32:20.463
the end that was just decoration like you see on the car yeah the girls I'm
00:32:20.463 --> 00:32:25.603
sure yeah the plywood Jimmy and his daddy they were carpenters they cut the
00:32:25.603 --> 00:32:30.103
circle out and they sandwiched the two layers in the tubing in the plywood how
00:32:30.103 --> 00:32:34.603
heavy was this 35 pounds the whole kite yeah I would imagine,
00:32:35.203 --> 00:32:38.223
it's really hard to picture.
00:32:38.723 --> 00:32:41.283
The 50 foot one was 125 pounds.
00:32:42.763 --> 00:32:46.083
Because even though the height's twice as much, the square footage was over
00:32:46.083 --> 00:32:47.683
three times as much. Mm-hmm.
00:32:48.735 --> 00:32:53.615
And to transport it, is everyone carrying it like a big American flag?
00:32:53.815 --> 00:32:56.395
Yeah, we have pictures of them. Well, they had it up high above them.
00:32:57.075 --> 00:33:01.675
And we had a couple of them under it, too, because you had to support the middle a little bit.
00:33:02.035 --> 00:33:07.855
Yeah, we have pictures of it being carried from the barn to the field back there on flight day.
00:33:08.075 --> 00:33:12.155
All right. And what do you remember specifically on flight day?
00:33:13.095 --> 00:33:16.815
Let's see. How am I going to answer this? I was not there. Okay.
00:33:18.155 --> 00:33:22.335
So when I- Which you were not happy about. Well, I wasn't happy about it,
00:33:22.395 --> 00:33:23.895
but I realized we had been waiting.
00:33:24.355 --> 00:33:28.195
The thing was finished and we kept waiting. We had already made this little commitment.
00:33:28.335 --> 00:33:31.895
You know, we're not going to cheat. We're not going to drag this thing behind
00:33:31.895 --> 00:33:34.255
a vehicle and we can fly a piece of plywood like that.
00:33:34.335 --> 00:33:37.395
This has to be a kite. This has to go up with the wind.
00:33:37.915 --> 00:33:41.375
So we made that commitment, but after waiting like four, five,
00:33:41.535 --> 00:33:43.895
six weeks, and there were a lot of other people who wanted to come to it. Right.
00:33:44.035 --> 00:33:46.875
A lot of people anxious. Were people just knocking on the door, asking when?
00:33:47.055 --> 00:33:49.155
Oh, they called. Y'all called me, honey.
00:33:49.615 --> 00:33:52.455
Y'all got my number. I want y'all to call everybody. We didn't want it to come.
00:33:52.975 --> 00:33:55.895
And it was mostly family, but there were some friends and other people that knew.
00:33:57.175 --> 00:34:00.575
And I was getting antsy too. You know, the thing's sitting in the barn.
00:34:00.715 --> 00:34:01.955
We're waiting. And it was springtime.
00:34:02.215 --> 00:34:04.775
Just wasn't getting. And it had to be on a weekend, the weather.
00:34:04.875 --> 00:34:05.795
You know, it had to be just right.
00:34:06.695 --> 00:34:11.075
So one Sunday morning, Jim called me early. I just had Nicholas,
00:34:11.255 --> 00:34:12.115
a little baby in the house.
00:34:12.595 --> 00:34:16.975
And he told me, he said, man, everybody wants to do it. We got a little wind today.
00:34:17.555 --> 00:34:20.975
Everybody wants to do it. So I said, you know what? We've been waiting.
00:34:20.975 --> 00:34:22.795
And I understand. You don't want to do it.
00:34:23.255 --> 00:34:26.535
Just keep track of what happened. I want to know. Take some pictures.
00:34:26.935 --> 00:34:29.515
So I was all for it. I wasn't bitter about it.
00:34:30.475 --> 00:34:34.615
But after what happened happened, nobody saw it all.
00:34:35.115 --> 00:34:38.795
The people that were there didn't see it all. Most of the people that weren't
00:34:38.795 --> 00:34:41.855
in the truck are looking at the kite up in the air.
00:34:42.115 --> 00:34:45.515
And the ones in the truck were paying attention to their jobs,
00:34:45.535 --> 00:34:48.555
and they weren't looking at the kite hardly at all.
00:34:49.355 --> 00:34:53.615
So what happened to them in the truck, none of them actually saw the whole thing.
00:34:53.755 --> 00:34:56.715
Which that would have been invaluable to see. It would have.
00:34:57.235 --> 00:35:01.595
I would love to have seen it. So what I did, nobody knew the whole story.
00:35:01.715 --> 00:35:03.595
So I started asking questions of each.
00:35:03.755 --> 00:35:06.715
Now, I couldn't get everybody together because I wanted to put some stuff in
00:35:06.715 --> 00:35:10.695
writing. I had people out of town, committee. I wanted to send out a little thing of what happened.
00:35:11.275 --> 00:35:16.135
So I interviewed several people, not individually, sometimes two or three at
00:35:16.135 --> 00:35:20.195
a time, trying to get, well, if that's true, how did this happen?
00:35:20.435 --> 00:35:23.455
And that person didn't know, so we had to go try to ask somebody else.
00:35:23.595 --> 00:35:26.255
So we pieced together what we thought must have happened.
00:35:27.335 --> 00:35:30.535
Did you ever put it out into a news station? Oh, yeah. Oh, no,
00:35:30.595 --> 00:35:33.415
not audio, no. No, but a newspaper?
00:35:35.241 --> 00:35:39.661
Never tried. Man, that'd have been an easy story for them to like, huh? Maybe so.
00:35:40.281 --> 00:35:44.321
No, the only newspaper story was that stupid front page that I wound up on and
00:35:44.321 --> 00:35:46.421
wasn't about something at all. It was about other kites.
00:35:47.221 --> 00:35:53.721
So it resulted in a kite that did fly very high and for quite a bit of time.
00:35:54.041 --> 00:35:57.761
Now, as a caveat, the weather they thought they were going to have, they didn't have.
00:35:58.221 --> 00:36:02.701
The wind wound up being five or six miles an hour, not even enough to fly a regular kite.
00:36:02.841 --> 00:36:06.621
So they had to hook it up the truck and pull it. But they made Andy hold it
00:36:06.621 --> 00:36:08.961
to eight miles an hour, no higher than 10 miles an hour.
00:36:09.161 --> 00:36:11.281
So to kind of at least try to meet our commitment.
00:36:13.221 --> 00:36:18.701
And it resulted in a couple injuries or one? Really just one.
00:36:19.801 --> 00:36:23.101
The two that got knocked out of the truck, only one of them was really injured.
00:36:23.581 --> 00:36:26.541
The other one was roughed up a little bit, my dad. But he was okay.
00:36:26.701 --> 00:36:27.481
He wasn't really injured.
00:36:28.161 --> 00:36:30.281
Brian broke a bone in his hand somewhere.
00:36:32.881 --> 00:36:35.981
And he had even thought of it. Was it worth it? to them
00:36:35.981 --> 00:36:38.801
was it was that bone broken in his hand worth
00:36:38.801 --> 00:36:42.541
it to you oh yeah i think it was worth it to him too oh
00:36:42.541 --> 00:36:45.341
yeah yeah nobody regretted anything yeah in
00:36:45.341 --> 00:36:49.321
fact the the actual flight there was almost anticlimactical because
00:36:49.321 --> 00:36:53.501
we had a lot of fun we had a lot of fun planning and building it man we had
00:36:53.501 --> 00:36:57.601
a blast and anticipation like after we fly when you know it's going to be over
00:36:57.601 --> 00:37:02.721
and we're kind of almost sad we went up so we had a good finale if papa was
00:37:02.721 --> 00:37:06.601
smart he would have destroyed the kite before y'all got to fly it and y'all had to rebuild it.
00:37:07.301 --> 00:37:09.721
If he was a little smarter, that's what he would have done.
00:37:10.741 --> 00:37:13.541
I like that. Maybe. And we'd have done it. We'd have rebuilt it.
00:37:13.801 --> 00:37:18.721
Spill some oil on the paper or crack the frame. Oh yeah, we'd have rebuilt it.
00:37:20.001 --> 00:37:25.061
Man, only if there was GoPros and stuff back then, right? Yes. We'd have seen a lot.
00:37:26.161 --> 00:37:30.581
So this is what we pieced together. And at the time, you know,
00:37:30.601 --> 00:37:33.081
we had no video of that. We just had a video of the kite in the air.
00:37:33.401 --> 00:37:36.141
That would happen to the truck. That's where the camera needed to be.
00:37:36.781 --> 00:37:42.441
We had a spool of rope, 1,200 feet of rope, yellow poly rope, 3-8 inch.
00:37:43.401 --> 00:37:46.561
And the spool was laid on the bottom, on the bed of the truck,
00:37:46.901 --> 00:37:48.161
behind the driver's seat.
00:37:49.781 --> 00:37:55.681
With a tire tool jammed through the middle of the hole so that the spool could
00:37:55.681 --> 00:37:57.301
spin when they wanted to let rope out.
00:37:58.261 --> 00:38:03.221
And Pat, cousin Pat, his job was to kneel next to it and hold that tire tool
00:38:03.221 --> 00:38:06.861
against the plywood, which is at the bottom of the bed, it was along with plywood.
00:38:07.301 --> 00:38:12.401
So that little screwdriver, flathead screwdriver, angel on it would kind of
00:38:12.401 --> 00:38:13.961
dig in and it would have grip.
00:38:14.901 --> 00:38:18.901
Okay, then there was, because Eric, My brother, Eric, my dad,
00:38:19.081 --> 00:38:22.421
and then Brian, in that order from front to back.
00:38:22.521 --> 00:38:26.601
In other words, the spool, then dad, no, then Eric, then dad,
00:38:26.761 --> 00:38:31.701
then Brian was the closest to the back of the truck where the rope was going toward the kite.
00:38:32.401 --> 00:38:35.781
And in the back of the truck, the little square holes where you can mount a
00:38:35.781 --> 00:38:40.141
camper, I don't know where we got this from, but it was about a two and a half
00:38:40.141 --> 00:38:44.841
inch thick, solid steel bolt, iron bolt, rusty iron bolt,
00:38:46.062 --> 00:38:49.522
Maybe two feet long, maybe a little 80, 18. No, it must have been about two
00:38:49.522 --> 00:38:51.662
feet because they stuck it in there until it bottomed out.
00:38:52.142 --> 00:38:55.082
And they had enough sticking up. They had maybe over a foot sticking up.
00:38:55.222 --> 00:38:57.642
They made three wraps with the rope around there.
00:38:57.882 --> 00:39:02.382
And then Brian was first. And he thought about protecting his hand because he
00:39:02.382 --> 00:39:06.462
had put on a batting glove and then wrapped the rope one time around his hand.
00:39:07.802 --> 00:39:11.382
And then the other two were also holding and then pats on the floor.
00:39:11.602 --> 00:39:13.062
And he's in the truck driving.
00:39:13.682 --> 00:39:17.682
They paid out the rope. had as much out as they wanted, and they were ready
00:39:17.682 --> 00:39:20.602
to go. So they launched. The kite went up beautifully.
00:39:20.882 --> 00:39:24.822
It went up perfectly straight, had a long 180-foot tail behind it,
00:39:24.882 --> 00:39:25.922
just streaming behind it.
00:39:26.362 --> 00:39:31.322
Really was a beautiful flight. 180-foot tail. Yeah. We figured out how much tail you need. Okay.
00:39:31.642 --> 00:39:35.642
There was some engineering. Yeah. We knew a little bit more about kites.
00:39:36.922 --> 00:39:40.922
So when it was flying away, now the truck has to move. You can't just leave
00:39:40.922 --> 00:39:43.542
it up there as long as you want, because there's the tree line back there.
00:39:43.542 --> 00:39:45.122
That's the direction they were driving.
00:39:46.382 --> 00:39:50.182
So they wanted to let it go a little higher. So it was time to pay out some rope.
00:39:50.322 --> 00:39:54.922
So the guys holding the rope decided, okay, we'll let some rope out.
00:39:55.002 --> 00:39:58.002
Now they didn't know how hard it was pulling because we didn't have any way
00:39:58.002 --> 00:39:59.882
to calculate that till later.
00:40:00.422 --> 00:40:03.022
It turns out it was about 800 something pounds it was pulling.
00:40:03.142 --> 00:40:04.422
We had no idea it was gonna pull that hard.
00:40:05.202 --> 00:40:10.882
So when they started giving it a little slack, it went real quick and they grabbed
00:40:10.882 --> 00:40:12.742
it real quick because they didn't know it was pulling that hard.
00:40:13.762 --> 00:40:16.622
It almost yanked the spool over where Pat was trying to hold it.
00:40:17.162 --> 00:40:19.782
So it tightened up on Brian's hand, so he had to let it loose.
00:40:20.622 --> 00:40:23.162
And right at that moment, a few seconds after that happened,
00:40:23.182 --> 00:40:28.382
he realized when they paid out that few feet, when they let it go and then stopped
00:40:28.382 --> 00:40:32.342
it, it had broken the friction of that rusty bolt in the hole.
00:40:32.622 --> 00:40:36.562
And since it was a slight of an angle and the kite was pulling up at an angle,
00:40:37.520 --> 00:40:41.260
It broke that friction, and when it spinned, it broke that friction, and it slid up.
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:45.080
And Brian noticed that he saw the end of the pipe right at the top of the hole.
00:40:45.160 --> 00:40:49.300
And you can hear in the video, if you listen, you hear him say, oh, no.
00:40:50.160 --> 00:40:54.980
And then about three seconds later, you hear him saying, help, help.
00:40:55.480 --> 00:41:00.040
That was after he fell out of the truck. Because they were on the driver's side
00:41:00.040 --> 00:41:02.680
of the rope. The rope was on the passenger side of them.
00:41:03.740 --> 00:41:08.460
So when that bolt was pulled out of the hole, it was flung, and we have never
00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:10.520
found that bolt to this day. It's still in the field somewhere.
00:41:10.900 --> 00:41:15.040
So it made a bow and arrow shape, and then that string went.
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.760
It wiped them out. And they were standing in the middle. It didn't wipe Eric
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:21.260
out, but it wiped my daddy and Brian out onto the ground.
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.060
All of a sudden, they won the ground. They didn't know why they won the ground.
00:41:24.600 --> 00:41:27.480
Brian knew. God, I bet that hit hard, huh? That's why Brian broke his hand.
00:41:28.120 --> 00:41:32.520
Eric was there. Pat, the rope was peeling off that spoole so fast.
00:41:32.680 --> 00:41:35.400
It was dancing around on the floor, and he was trying to get that tire tool
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.660
to lock in, but it would keep bouncing around against the inside of his thighs.
00:41:39.060 --> 00:41:41.960
He was all gnarled up on the side of his thigh. They had sharts on,
00:41:42.100 --> 00:41:44.440
and that wooden spool was tearing his thighs up.
00:41:46.100 --> 00:41:49.320
Then Andy heard the commotion. He didn't know what it was, and he looked in
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:53.080
his rearview mirror, and there was nobody standing there holding the kite rope,
00:41:53.140 --> 00:41:58.240
no three guys anymore. So he stopped the truck and put it in park and jumped out.
00:41:58.740 --> 00:42:02.380
And the kite's in the air, and now you got slacking. Now it's backing down.
00:42:02.380 --> 00:42:03.380
Coming down, coming down.
00:42:05.060 --> 00:42:09.940
So I think my daddy jumped in the truck because Andy wanted some answers to questions.
00:42:10.100 --> 00:42:12.960
He didn't just want to, because Brian's screaming at him, cursing at him to
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:14.440
get back in the truck. He blankety blank.
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.920
So daddy got in the truck and drove. To try to take the slack out.
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:19.680
To take the slack out. Yeah.
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.260
But he had no direction. He didn't have the walkie talkie. Andy did.
00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:27.360
Nobody could tell him that's enough. I'll slow down. When he got to the end,
00:42:27.500 --> 00:42:29.640
you could see the kite in the video.
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:34.820
It picked up again. and then it started bowing backwards from the center as
00:42:34.820 --> 00:42:39.080
he sped up two more and then it just crumpled and then it came down. And that was it.
00:42:40.520 --> 00:42:44.080
Beautiful thing to watch though, I bet. So majestic.
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:48.960
I mean, has anything more exciting happened in Shriever since?
00:42:49.660 --> 00:42:53.140
Well, not with us, but that was just our excitement. That was our thing,
00:42:53.260 --> 00:42:56.460
you know. Nobody else would have gotten much excited about kites any more than croquet.
00:42:57.260 --> 00:43:01.700
We were able to have fun with it. It's not the actual. actual thing.
00:43:01.860 --> 00:43:03.520
It's just who's around you, I guess.
00:43:03.720 --> 00:43:05.920
It's who you're doing it with. Yeah, it's the whole package.
00:43:06.080 --> 00:43:08.020
You know, the right people, the right place, the right time.
00:43:09.260 --> 00:43:15.340
So other than the front yard, backyard, where did y'all hang out around town? I've heard stories of,
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:24.739
rinky dink i heard stories of frost stop and where else much eric and i went
00:43:24.739 --> 00:43:28.099
to the rinky dink three days a week after we worked out in the old market we
00:43:28.099 --> 00:43:29.839
started working out in seventh grade because his,
00:43:30.339 --> 00:43:34.819
older brother doug was taking weight lifting and nickels so eric brought home
00:43:34.819 --> 00:43:38.499
a little thing and doug had showed him how to do it so we thought it'd be cool
00:43:38.499 --> 00:43:41.959
to do we didn't know anything about weight lifting but there was no i'm sure
00:43:41.959 --> 00:43:46.099
it was bodybuilding back then but i'd never heard of it He just said, it makes you stronger.
00:43:46.259 --> 00:43:48.279
I said, well, it can't hurt anything, can it?
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.919
But we did it. Just have something to do. Yeah. So we did that routine starting
00:43:51.919 --> 00:43:53.459
in seventh grade, three days a week.
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.639
And I did it for many, many years.
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:01.059
In fact, I still do most of those same routines. I made muscle groups.
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.039
I got standards, real standard stuff.
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:06.079
But we did that. We'd go to Rinky Dent because he had just saved up and bought
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.679
his first car as a senior in high school after his senior year.
00:44:09.999 --> 00:44:14.239
So he could drive us over there. And we had a guy over there that would mess
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:15.259
with us, and we'd mess with him.
00:44:15.359 --> 00:44:17.719
He had a sense of humor like ours, so we had a good time with him.
00:44:17.799 --> 00:44:19.859
That was a regular thing we did.
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.279
Maltenberger, like going there, too, that was a regular place.
00:44:23.279 --> 00:44:24.959
I heard some Maltenberger stories.
00:44:25.499 --> 00:44:29.479
I think it was Maltenberger when you sold some Cypress Knees.
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.819
Cypress Knees, I was renting those out of Rinky Dink at the time.
00:44:34.459 --> 00:44:39.779
We're renting them out. How do you rent out a Cypress Knee? Turns out I don't know.
00:44:41.439 --> 00:44:45.359
But I tried. Apparently, I wasn't doing something right. I got one phone call.
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:48.759
Man, you had to think. One phone call. Right there at Rinky Dink and Timberlake.
00:44:48.759 --> 00:44:52.659
At the landline. And I was lucky enough to be home when they called. Right.
00:44:53.139 --> 00:44:55.579
Someone you knew? In the house. Someone you knew? No, somebody.
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.679
Because we left the signs out there. We left the ice chest with the Cypress
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:00.519
knees in them there, too.
00:45:00.579 --> 00:45:03.899
Because Gabby, the guy that got to know me and Eric, he was friends with us.
00:45:03.919 --> 00:45:06.479
So he took care of all that. Because he thought it was hilarious, too.
00:45:07.659 --> 00:45:11.179
So the phone call I got, he said, yeah, I'm calling about the Cypress knees.
00:45:11.439 --> 00:45:16.079
You have for rent. And the sign said for rent? For rent. Ice cold? No.
00:45:16.819 --> 00:45:21.459
But they were in the chest. Cybersees for rent. Yeah. Okay. And the chest was
00:45:21.459 --> 00:45:23.139
left open. Was there a dollar amount?
00:45:24.512 --> 00:45:29.892
Just a phone call for more information. So the guy called and I was gone.
00:45:30.252 --> 00:45:34.072
And I didn't have a prepared answer because I assumed nobody was going to call. Why?
00:45:34.452 --> 00:45:39.112
Why didn't I prepare? Why'd you assume? I don't know. I would have assumed someone's going to call.
00:45:39.912 --> 00:45:44.152
So you weren't prepared for the phone call? No, but something came to me when
00:45:44.152 --> 00:45:46.552
he asked the question because he left it kind of open-ended.
00:45:46.952 --> 00:45:48.892
He said, why would somebody?
00:45:50.012 --> 00:45:54.212
Oh, because we told Gabby. I blurted this out one time when somebody at the
00:45:54.212 --> 00:45:55.812
rinky-dink asked, what did you use this for?
00:45:55.852 --> 00:45:59.012
I said, well, some people you'd like to use them if you have a major move,
00:45:59.092 --> 00:46:02.372
you know, when you've got to move a house, a building to another place.
00:46:02.632 --> 00:46:05.512
Sometimes they use those for that. Those are good for that, I've heard.
00:46:06.012 --> 00:46:08.452
And there's other things you can do. Some people decorate with them.
00:46:08.732 --> 00:46:13.712
So the guy, when the guy called me months later, when we had put those things
00:46:13.712 --> 00:46:17.112
out there, he said, why would you rent Cybers needs to move a house?
00:46:17.772 --> 00:46:20.172
And I was blank for a couple of seconds. And then I said, well,
00:46:20.312 --> 00:46:24.632
people normally don't move buildings very often. It's usually a one-time thing.
00:46:25.112 --> 00:46:28.372
Why buy something you could use one time and have no use for them from then
00:46:28.372 --> 00:46:31.852
on? So that makes it much more economical just to rent them instead.
00:46:32.912 --> 00:46:35.812
And I had a little silence on the phone. Then he said, okay,
00:46:36.392 --> 00:46:38.112
yeah, I'll just want them. All right, thank you.
00:46:38.432 --> 00:46:41.592
So he wasn't interested in renting them. He wanted to know why.
00:46:41.932 --> 00:46:45.412
But there were two whys in there, why rent and why Cypress needs.
00:46:45.572 --> 00:46:49.612
And I just answered one of them. He was okay with that. He could have did better. He could have.
00:46:50.352 --> 00:46:56.172
Man, the rinky-dink. What happened to the rinky-dink? It's a Mexican food place
00:46:56.172 --> 00:46:58.292
now, maybe. Okay, is that La Palma?
00:46:58.512 --> 00:47:01.912
La Palma. Sure is, yep. But they were there for a long time.
00:47:02.052 --> 00:47:05.152
And that guy was there for a long time. And that was a hangout.
00:47:05.612 --> 00:47:08.892
Yeah, we just stayed there for a while. They had a little jukebox,
00:47:09.012 --> 00:47:11.472
a little counter jukebox outside in the summertime.
00:47:11.652 --> 00:47:14.872
We didn't variably, every time we played, bells would be ringing. Charlie Brown.
00:47:15.372 --> 00:47:18.972
This was college age, right? Yeah, first year of college.
00:47:20.412 --> 00:47:25.032
All right, let's talk about what was it like, what do you remember working with
00:47:25.032 --> 00:47:28.412
Pawpaw, meat market specific?
00:47:30.076 --> 00:47:33.436
My first memories, very first memories of actually doing something here that
00:47:33.436 --> 00:47:39.416
wasn't just standing and watching or being here would let me sweep up the sawdust on the floor.
00:47:39.936 --> 00:47:42.756
And at the time I was doing it, that was before he added this wing,
00:47:42.956 --> 00:47:46.316
just from the cooler on that way is all he had, half the cooler.
00:47:46.436 --> 00:47:49.916
Right. So the glass window frontage was not here.
00:47:50.056 --> 00:47:53.176
You're talking about from there to the right? Yes. Yes. Okay.
00:47:54.236 --> 00:47:57.276
It had the little glass slats for the windows.
00:47:57.856 --> 00:48:03.716
And that was the retail area. so I was I might have been in second grade six
00:48:03.716 --> 00:48:07.056
or seven years old and he gave me a broom which was too big but he says you
00:48:07.056 --> 00:48:09.836
know take the broom and sweep up this solder so I was doing that,
00:48:10.356 --> 00:48:16.256
and not long maybe the first or second third time I did that somebody came out
00:48:16.256 --> 00:48:24.716
the cooler and I was too close to the cooler and I was barefoot and it pulled my big toe nail off,
00:48:25.416 --> 00:48:30.116
the door when it opened yes so i remember that but it didn't want to i don't
00:48:30.116 --> 00:48:33.536
remember it being a big deal i remember it hurting and i saw the blood but i
00:48:33.536 --> 00:48:37.316
was so young so i don't that's the only memory i have of when it happened but
00:48:37.316 --> 00:48:42.376
i continued to do that for a while and when they and probably very soon after
00:48:42.376 --> 00:48:44.916
that maybe when i was in third grade just when they built this,
00:48:45.496 --> 00:48:50.856
next section and that was my job to come at 5 30 to sweep the sawdust up and
00:48:50.856 --> 00:48:54.516
eventually he'd add a little bit more of the cleanup stuff because you know
00:48:54.516 --> 00:48:56.176
i was in school so i just had after school.
00:48:56.876 --> 00:48:59.936
But then when he it really ramped up when he
00:48:59.936 --> 00:49:02.876
got the patty machine then i had four days
00:49:02.876 --> 00:49:05.836
a week they needed he had a patty order he'd write down all
00:49:05.836 --> 00:49:09.776
the scrap of whatever he could find at the house when i got home and he'd leave
00:49:09.776 --> 00:49:12.976
it where i could find it and i'd grab it and i'd either come when they were
00:49:12.976 --> 00:49:16.176
open or when they were closed didn't matter would you come make the ground meat
00:49:16.176 --> 00:49:20.076
too no the ground it would be made for you you just have to go make patties
00:49:20.076 --> 00:49:22.296
yeah yeah because I wouldn't have
00:49:22.296 --> 00:49:24.816
had enough time to do it while they were open, I didn't have to do that.
00:49:25.236 --> 00:49:29.656
You know, he never wanted to do that. Was it that super patty machine?
00:49:30.976 --> 00:49:34.956
It was that kind. It was the same, yeah, same. That's what that is.
00:49:35.376 --> 00:49:41.336
So there was one, there was one that we've had before this one, which we still have.
00:49:42.136 --> 00:49:46.876
That's probably the one you started on. Good chance. Yeah, and this one here
00:49:46.876 --> 00:49:49.636
is no different. It's the same exact configuration.
00:49:51.510 --> 00:49:55.750
Maybe very few parts have changed. The paper feeding is different.
00:49:55.750 --> 00:49:56.730
The paper feed is different.
00:49:56.990 --> 00:50:01.470
And then there's also more advanced attachments you can do like post-pat.
00:50:01.710 --> 00:50:04.390
So they have conveyor systems that'll count.
00:50:04.730 --> 00:50:09.090
You can push it on a timer to where it'll make a stack of 10 and then the conveyor
00:50:09.090 --> 00:50:11.530
will move. So it'll make you another stack of 10 and then boom,
00:50:11.730 --> 00:50:12.630
which we don't have that.
00:50:12.770 --> 00:50:17.070
But there is options for that. And then the machine at the new market,
00:50:17.070 --> 00:50:19.670
it's the exact same model, same everything.
00:50:19.670 --> 00:50:23.650
But the mold plate is synthetic
00:50:23.650 --> 00:50:26.970
like a composite that's i
00:50:26.970 --> 00:50:30.490
think the only difference and the hopper the hopper is plastic or
00:50:30.490 --> 00:50:33.410
some type of just less corrosion hard plastic not
00:50:33.410 --> 00:50:37.430
better not better than this it's
00:50:37.430 --> 00:50:41.290
like rigidity would be a problem yeah same same with that grinder there's
00:50:41.290 --> 00:50:44.250
no better grinder than that that's a good that old grinder
00:50:44.250 --> 00:50:47.330
that the ones they make now the they're a little too safe
00:50:47.330 --> 00:50:50.370
there's there's guards everywhere and there's
00:50:50.370 --> 00:50:53.390
safety cutoff switches and all the
00:50:53.390 --> 00:50:56.170
all of this stuff but that one you can just take a pot
00:50:56.170 --> 00:51:03.470
dump it right on top and you have to get to work all right so so all right where'd
00:51:03.470 --> 00:51:07.410
you go from there from from cleaning duties and patties well i kind of skipped
00:51:07.410 --> 00:51:12.130
the part i did work in the front in the summertime okay so that and that was
00:51:12.130 --> 00:51:14.010
That was full-time. Customer service.
00:51:14.210 --> 00:51:17.750
Or would you be cutting, making sausage and stuff like that? Everything.
00:51:18.130 --> 00:51:23.430
Okay. There's nothing we didn't do from going, broke the calves with daddy. And who was here?
00:51:24.310 --> 00:51:31.170
Cleave, daddy, and Raymond. Mr. Cleave was, what, 10 years younger than Popo?
00:51:31.890 --> 00:51:35.910
Or no? I think that's pretty close. All right. And then Raymond was how old?
00:51:36.950 --> 00:51:39.330
He was younger than Cleave. He might have been 10 years younger than Cleave.
00:51:39.330 --> 00:51:42.270
He would have been in his 40s or 50s. That's a guess, too. Or no,
00:51:42.370 --> 00:51:44.730
he would have been in, yeah, 30s or 40s at that time.
00:51:44.890 --> 00:51:49.430
I think he was in his 30s at that time. And you were 12, 15?
00:51:50.650 --> 00:51:54.610
Yeah, 15. 15-ish? Yeah, 15. Okay. 15, 16, 17.
00:51:55.070 --> 00:51:57.950
And yeah, we did everything. We slaughtered. All the way in the slaughter,
00:51:58.130 --> 00:52:01.350
I didn't get as much experience as I kind of wish I'd have gotten.
00:52:01.730 --> 00:52:04.650
They'd always give me the head. I'd work on the heads. Deboning?
00:52:04.810 --> 00:52:06.210
Yeah, and since there were two of them skinning.
00:52:07.768 --> 00:52:10.728
They could skin one at a time. It took me to take all the head meat off because
00:52:10.728 --> 00:52:12.628
that's a tedious little task on the little rack.
00:52:13.608 --> 00:52:17.628
So you'd be here for all the slaughters as well? Yeah. Cows and pigs.
00:52:18.408 --> 00:52:21.868
Yeah. And y'all would do personal, you know, for family.
00:52:22.688 --> 00:52:23.728
Yeah, people that raised their own,
00:52:23.808 --> 00:52:26.208
which were a lot. They would bring it themselves or y'all would go get it?
00:52:27.008 --> 00:52:32.528
We preferred them to bring it themselves, but daddy did make $10 to go pick them up. Okay.
00:52:33.568 --> 00:52:39.788
All right. And so what about that? You know, slaughtering stopped by my time.
00:52:40.208 --> 00:52:44.148
I think I remember cows in the pen.
00:52:44.728 --> 00:52:49.268
That's it. I don't remember being there for each. I don't think I was ever there
00:52:49.268 --> 00:52:50.768
for a slaughter back here.
00:52:51.168 --> 00:52:56.348
But I do remember the shoot, and I do remember cows in the pen.
00:52:56.528 --> 00:53:01.688
That's about it. But, you know, I wish I would have gotten more of that time
00:53:01.688 --> 00:53:03.548
and been able to see all of that stuff.
00:53:03.888 --> 00:53:07.408
But what do you remember there? Do you remember being taught how to do anything,
00:53:07.628 --> 00:53:10.568
or you just watched as it was done? Daddy didn't do that much.
00:53:10.688 --> 00:53:15.228
Cleve did a little bit of teaching, but Dad would basically let me try something,
00:53:15.408 --> 00:53:18.648
let me see it done, and then let me try it.
00:53:18.688 --> 00:53:23.188
And if I was doing it really wrong or doing it dangerous, I wasn't even coming close.
00:53:23.808 --> 00:53:26.808
He'd steer me just as much as it took to get me back on the right track.
00:53:27.788 --> 00:53:31.988
So self-taught, you learn trial and error. He didn't do much teaching.
00:53:31.988 --> 00:53:35.888
And Cleve was, of course, he was a little more distracted than Cleve.
00:53:35.968 --> 00:53:36.768
He was running his own business.
00:53:36.908 --> 00:53:40.728
Cleve was usually right on the side of me doing something. And he was real good
00:53:40.728 --> 00:53:42.028
at my dad. He was my second dad.
00:53:43.268 --> 00:53:47.148
He taught me as much as dad did probably. But yeah, I remember the trailer backed
00:53:47.148 --> 00:53:50.368
up to there and doing those heads. They'd clean up.
00:53:50.848 --> 00:53:54.328
And I always helped clean up. I was part of the clean up, whatever it was,
00:53:54.428 --> 00:53:57.348
clean up. And if a customer came while they were slaughtering because-
00:53:58.586 --> 00:54:00.646
They were open for business. They would just walk in the door,
00:54:00.766 --> 00:54:04.366
and everyone's in the back slaughtering. They'd see a car, a truck pull up,
00:54:04.446 --> 00:54:06.286
or if I saw whoever saw it, they'd say, Bill, customer.
00:54:06.466 --> 00:54:09.006
So I'd have to run up and wait for the customer and go back.
00:54:09.446 --> 00:54:11.646
What was Mr. Cleave like? I don't really know.
00:54:12.106 --> 00:54:15.086
Not many people I know really know what Mr. Cleave was like.
00:54:15.126 --> 00:54:17.946
Cleave wasn't a big talker.
00:54:18.366 --> 00:54:21.926
He loved to laugh, loved to laugh, and boy, could he laugh.
00:54:22.366 --> 00:54:25.306
Loud. Oh, yeah. Well, Raymond laughed louder than he did, but,
00:54:25.306 --> 00:54:29.726
man, it was fun trying to get Cleave to laugh, too. Raymond was hilarious.
00:54:30.226 --> 00:54:33.506
Raymond was one of the best butchers I ever saw with a knife, at least.
00:54:33.946 --> 00:54:36.786
I don't think I've ever seen it faster. He wasn't trying to be fast.
00:54:36.886 --> 00:54:38.566
He just got a knack. Some people have a knack.
00:54:40.266 --> 00:54:44.646
But Cleve was one of the, him and my dad were almost a toss-up.
00:54:45.486 --> 00:54:50.726
To me, they had an excellent way of judging people, even when they first meet them.
00:54:52.526 --> 00:54:55.706
They either had a good feeling about somebody or didn't. So I don't know about that guy.
00:54:56.486 --> 00:55:00.946
And I wanted that. So when I'd pay attention to that, and when I saw that,
00:55:01.066 --> 00:55:04.286
I'd listen to what I just heard and think about it and say, I don't know what
00:55:04.286 --> 00:55:05.466
they, why do you think that?
00:55:05.726 --> 00:55:08.546
A lot of times I thought they were wrong. They were never wrong.
00:55:09.906 --> 00:55:13.506
So I don't know, maybe now at this age it would be more obvious to me,
00:55:13.566 --> 00:55:15.766
but I always thought they were an excellent judge of character.
00:55:16.978 --> 00:55:20.778
So that's what I liked about him. And Cleve was, Cleve, do anything for you? Mm-hmm.
00:55:21.198 --> 00:55:25.658
I remember his laugh. I do remember that. I remember him always smiling.
00:55:25.958 --> 00:55:28.718
Oh, yeah. But that's about it. I don't, you know, I don't remember a bunch of
00:55:28.718 --> 00:55:33.678
having conversations with him or really getting a, I don't, I don't know that
00:55:33.678 --> 00:55:35.098
I learned anything from him.
00:55:35.318 --> 00:55:38.218
It would have been more Calvin and Chris, you know.
00:55:39.098 --> 00:55:44.318
Yeah, Cleve was, I've never seen him. And I know Cleve must have been angry
00:55:44.318 --> 00:55:48.678
many times, but I never saw any signs of anything much come in bed,
00:55:48.798 --> 00:55:51.538
raising his voice, talking in a way that he's angry.
00:55:52.158 --> 00:55:56.998
Cool. I guess it's maybe self-control. And years later, just a shame I found
00:55:56.998 --> 00:56:01.998
this out later, this might have even been at his funeral.
00:56:02.478 --> 00:56:06.418
I asked his wife about that. I said, was he like that? Did he have a—no,
00:56:06.598 --> 00:56:11.658
he didn't get robbed up a lot. when he was, and Bucci was standing right next to us.
00:56:12.498 --> 00:56:15.838
That's his son? Yeah, his oldest son. His oldest son. Yeah. He said,
00:56:16.158 --> 00:56:20.478
no, when that was mad, you knew it, but not because he raised his voice or the way he talked.
00:56:20.818 --> 00:56:23.098
You could just tell, and you knew.
00:56:23.938 --> 00:56:27.558
So to them, that was his anger. Yeah. But it was hard to detect.
00:56:27.658 --> 00:56:31.218
It was a sense. He said, but we knew. Don't go past that. Yeah, yeah.
00:56:32.478 --> 00:56:38.058
So he just was that kind of guy. And Raymond was one of the funniest guys I've ever met.
00:56:38.538 --> 00:56:41.518
He could just tell a story or something that happened to him,
00:56:41.518 --> 00:56:44.158
and he'd almost lose control laughing about it before he finished,
00:56:44.258 --> 00:56:46.058
and then it's contagious. Everybody's laughing.
00:56:46.558 --> 00:56:49.598
And the time I'm sitting on the front porch reading. That's kind of like Phil.
00:56:49.978 --> 00:56:54.078
Sometimes when Phil tells a story, he laughs for 10 minutes before he gets to anything.
00:56:54.278 --> 00:56:56.978
So by the time he starts talking, you're laughing. That's it.
00:56:57.018 --> 00:57:00.238
Because he's so excited about what he's saying. That's it. That's it.
00:57:01.438 --> 00:57:08.058
And later on when I was, probably after my second or third semester at Nichols,
00:57:08.878 --> 00:57:13.438
Mary Antio started working here, which I didn't know that was her name until a year later.
00:57:14.318 --> 00:57:16.238
Which she thought that was. She was called Leroy.
00:57:17.518 --> 00:57:21.378
And I also learned years later that this is the only place she was called Leroy.
00:57:21.718 --> 00:57:24.558
So I think my daddy did that. We do a little bit of that still.
00:57:25.438 --> 00:57:27.198
Not proud of it, but it happens.
00:57:28.618 --> 00:57:31.598
Yeah, and she was here for a very long time She stayed a good while,
00:57:31.778 --> 00:57:34.978
she was a hard worker She learned everything, like me, she did everything Everything
00:57:34.978 --> 00:57:39.538
that needed to be done, she did it Any big changes you saw,
00:57:40.378 --> 00:57:44.158
let's say within that era or that time Like what were the big changes?
00:57:44.618 --> 00:57:47.878
Padding machine was a big change And then what else?
00:57:48.298 --> 00:57:51.938
Anything other major that's like, you know, business changing,
00:57:52.078 --> 00:57:53.818
life changing back then?
00:57:55.616 --> 00:58:01.096
The business grew, you know, we were busier, had more customers. But no reason for it?
00:58:01.696 --> 00:58:04.516
No, and as far as everything else, everything else was steady as she goes.
00:58:04.656 --> 00:58:08.276
We still went to pick up calves and cattle, go to the auction every Monday,
00:58:08.916 --> 00:58:12.596
custom slaughter on Mondays and slaughter for the market on Wednesdays.
00:58:12.796 --> 00:58:15.156
We cooked boudin and hoggered cheese every Thursday.
00:58:15.656 --> 00:58:18.376
Now and then in the winter, we'd have to do a double, but not much.
00:58:18.876 --> 00:58:22.576
Because his pot was so big, he could just fill the pot if it was real busy.
00:58:22.656 --> 00:58:24.396
And that was usually enough until it lasts us for a week.
00:58:25.016 --> 00:58:29.096
So no, the big change came after I left. The big change was jerky.
00:58:29.176 --> 00:58:32.356
That was the next big change that I know about, what I call big,
00:58:32.576 --> 00:58:37.116
besides the fact that they dropped the slaughtering, which I think was way after the jerky.
00:58:37.276 --> 00:58:41.916
What about, do you remember like any other meat markets around back then?
00:58:41.996 --> 00:58:44.536
They were all closing. So Verdans was still there.
00:58:44.916 --> 00:58:49.116
Verdans never closed. I'm not sure how that happened. Right. There was one in Houma.
00:58:49.716 --> 00:58:54.076
I cannot remember the name. But it was one of the last ones to be closed.
00:58:54.396 --> 00:58:57.876
Vans in Thibodeau, I remember that closed when they first started all that mess.
00:58:58.096 --> 00:58:59.696
A lot of the small ones closed right away.
00:58:59.996 --> 00:59:04.756
People couldn't afford to do what they wanted. The USDA and inspections and
00:59:04.756 --> 00:59:07.756
everything. Yeah, it went from Board of Health to USDA and that made it really hard.
00:59:08.656 --> 00:59:12.656
Regulations. Yep. That's what got me out. Boy, boy, boy.
00:59:13.896 --> 00:59:18.816
I'd still, I'd probably never left here. If it weren't for that? Yeah.
00:59:19.356 --> 00:59:26.876
What was happening? They made, every year they come out with their revised regulations
00:59:26.876 --> 00:59:30.676
for slaughterhouses and butch and meat markets,
00:59:30.736 --> 00:59:34.916
and this must have been 76 or 76.
00:59:35.991 --> 00:59:40.291
The slaughterhouse was no longer compliant. So he needed a hire.
00:59:40.411 --> 00:59:42.651
The main thing was he needed a 12-foot ceiling.
00:59:44.171 --> 00:59:47.831
Couldn't just add that to what he's got. So he had to build that building on
00:59:47.831 --> 00:59:50.171
the end. Right. And he was 57 years old.
00:59:50.911 --> 00:59:56.071
And that was a big decision for him. Because he almost wouldn't have had an alternative.
00:59:56.271 --> 00:59:59.711
It would have been rough going from getting his meat like that to some other way.
01:00:00.751 --> 01:00:05.131
But I didn't know the business end well enough. I just knew he stressed over
01:00:05.131 --> 01:00:07.331
that for a while. but daddy worried a lot about it.
01:00:07.531 --> 01:00:10.751
Finally decided he was going to do it. He borrowed some money and he built that slaughterhouse.
01:00:11.251 --> 01:00:14.851
The very next, like 18 months later, they came out with the next regulations,
01:00:15.111 --> 01:00:19.231
the processing room where you process anything that you're going to resell.
01:00:20.551 --> 01:00:24.111
Like hamburgers was the only thing we were selling to resell to restaurants.
01:00:24.451 --> 01:00:27.851
You could no longer do that unless you had a government inspected facility.
01:00:28.051 --> 01:00:32.351
And that little middle room where our pating machine was didn't comply and we
01:00:32.351 --> 01:00:33.451
couldn't do it in a slaughterhouse.
01:00:34.151 --> 01:00:38.471
God. So he lost all those restaurants. And that was my job.
01:00:39.191 --> 01:00:46.011
And the business wasn't strong enough to just, they didn't have to have me. Yeah.
01:00:46.631 --> 01:00:49.131
And daddy wasn't going to leave Cleve off. He's supporting his family.
01:00:49.291 --> 01:00:51.271
He's worked here all his life. And I understood that.
01:00:51.471 --> 01:00:57.231
But bam, I never said a word about that all these years because it told my daddy out. Right.
01:00:59.251 --> 01:01:02.431
Man, regulation. What a horrible thing.
01:01:03.051 --> 01:01:07.611
What a horrible thing. Yeah, and he still made burgers. He sold them over the counter.
01:01:07.791 --> 01:01:11.551
Right. But that was a big one. So I had to go searching, and I wanted to stay
01:01:11.551 --> 01:01:15.131
in the meat business. So I went to search all the supermarkets,
01:01:15.151 --> 01:01:16.131
which had a meat department.
01:01:17.211 --> 01:01:21.071
But my resume didn't look good. My only experience was with my father,
01:01:21.251 --> 01:01:22.751
and that really didn't count for anything.
01:01:22.871 --> 01:01:27.431
And they told him they'd need some other experience because they paid well at the time.
01:01:27.671 --> 01:01:30.271
I was surprised how much they were paying per hour. They had one in Houma?
01:01:30.931 --> 01:01:33.691
Yeah, Winn-Dixie's had those. A&P's had it.
01:01:34.591 --> 01:01:37.471
Foodtown had one, National Food Stores, National.
01:01:38.611 --> 01:01:41.611
They all had meat departments, and they were paying well.
01:01:43.833 --> 01:01:47.193
Not only wasn't my resume, my application wasn't impressive,
01:01:47.473 --> 01:01:51.973
but my interviews weren't impressive because I didn't know anything about trying to sell myself.
01:01:52.293 --> 01:01:56.913
I wanted to work. Right. All I knew was, and I had a good work ethic,
01:01:57.033 --> 01:01:58.753
but I didn't try to convince them that I did.
01:01:59.513 --> 01:02:04.073
Yeah. I just sat there. I found out later that, no, you got to really.
01:02:04.953 --> 01:02:07.013
And I didn't know what they didn't like, but I didn't find anything.
01:02:07.013 --> 01:02:12.253
So one day I went to visit Paula at the print shop on Bond Street in Houma,
01:02:12.373 --> 01:02:14.033
where she'd been working for about six months.
01:02:14.433 --> 01:02:17.893
And they sent me to get some Cokes, some soft drinks over the hot summer day.
01:02:18.393 --> 01:02:21.633
So they each gave me their quarters. I said, where's the closest place?
01:02:21.833 --> 01:02:24.433
No, the same building. Just go around the corner. They got a door on the other
01:02:24.433 --> 01:02:27.853
side of the building, a little paint store. Go in there, and they got a Coke machine.
01:02:28.473 --> 01:02:32.753
I didn't even know that because I'd always pulled up from that side of the building
01:02:32.753 --> 01:02:35.173
and left on that side. I didn't know there was a paint store on the corner.
01:02:35.793 --> 01:02:40.233
And anyway, I was asked while I was getting the Cokes who I was,
01:02:40.413 --> 01:02:42.873
and what you doing over there?
01:02:42.953 --> 01:02:47.233
I said, I was just coming from the, I've been trying to apply for a job at some supermarkets.
01:02:47.813 --> 01:02:51.453
He said, you looking for work? I said, yeah. He says, we hiring.
01:02:52.293 --> 01:02:55.693
I said, well, I could use the job for a while anyway. Doing what?
01:02:55.773 --> 01:02:57.493
He says, selling paint. I said, I don't know anything about paint.
01:02:57.613 --> 01:02:58.473
He says, that don't matter.
01:02:59.113 --> 01:03:02.413
I found out later he had just had a big fight with the only other guy working
01:03:02.413 --> 01:03:05.093
in there, and he wanted to fire him, but he couldn't because that left him alone.
01:03:05.953 --> 01:03:08.253
The other guy found out at the same time I did. Right.
01:03:10.573 --> 01:03:14.633
So I took the job, and a half hour later, Paula came and asked me,
01:03:14.733 --> 01:03:16.893
what's taking so long? So I gave him, oh, here's your drinks.
01:03:16.973 --> 01:03:18.293
I'm hired. I'm working. I'm working.
01:03:18.853 --> 01:03:22.913
I work here now. And it was, I sat on a stool for a while, and he fired the
01:03:22.913 --> 01:03:26.273
next guy the next week. And I've been there ever since. Wow.
01:03:27.313 --> 01:03:34.233
But yeah, I'd have still been here otherwise. laws doesn't doesn't it make you
01:03:34.233 --> 01:03:37.973
just not want to doesn't it make you just not want to follow the rules I.
01:03:39.421 --> 01:03:42.321
Oh yeah it does it does and
01:03:42.321 --> 01:03:45.261
uh i'm i'm not you know that's not the only they
01:03:45.261 --> 01:03:48.001
were victim you know all those little stores that closed that was their
01:03:48.001 --> 01:03:51.081
livelihood all the small meat markets that couldn't afford
01:03:51.081 --> 01:03:53.901
to do what they were doing because most of
01:03:53.901 --> 01:03:56.801
them were just selling cuts of meat daddy had the advantage of having his other things
01:03:56.801 --> 01:03:59.641
and i think that's the only reason we stayed open if he wouldn't have
01:03:59.641 --> 01:04:02.721
come up with the idea for making sausage in the boudin market
01:04:02.721 --> 01:04:07.541
cheese the smoked sausage the only doing these things i don't know for sure
01:04:07.541 --> 01:04:10.661
but he might have not been able to making just some cuts of meat the supermarkets
01:04:10.661 --> 01:04:15.881
were getting a lot more it's it's such a hard thing i think about it a lot for
01:04:15.881 --> 01:04:19.881
this place is you you want to hang on to the traditions.
01:04:20.581 --> 01:04:26.721
And you want like we don't want to stop selling calves but at the expense of
01:04:26.721 --> 01:04:31.041
losing the business right we'll stop selling calves exactly so a lot of houses
01:04:31.041 --> 01:04:33.281
closed and that's that's such a hard thing is like,
01:04:33.421 --> 01:04:38.981
what do you, what do you put your foot down with and, and say, I'm doing this.
01:04:39.081 --> 01:04:43.061
I don't care how I'll, how I'll have to do it, but I'm just going to make sure I don't stop.
01:04:43.201 --> 01:04:47.961
And when do you say, this is killing, now I'm killing the business by hanging
01:04:47.961 --> 01:04:51.561
on to the past and, and not wanting to let go to old things.
01:04:52.221 --> 01:04:56.461
That's, it's, it's tough, you know? And if you decide to do it the way you think
01:04:56.461 --> 01:04:57.541
it should be done anyway,
01:04:57.841 --> 01:05:00.561
because it's worth the chance, just as easy
01:05:00.561 --> 01:05:03.401
to lose the business that way because they'll come shut you right down
01:05:03.401 --> 01:05:06.361
i know and it's that that's the heart that's
01:05:06.361 --> 01:05:09.441
the part like that's what the difference is
01:05:09.441 --> 01:05:12.561
many attempted for those things when those regulations start
01:05:12.561 --> 01:05:17.541
getting a little bit past where they should be because of some bad eggs you
01:05:17.541 --> 01:05:21.401
know those regulations are put in place because they were needed at some locations
01:05:21.401 --> 01:05:27.641
yeah it was necessary but not many man good stuff for the bad you just gotta
01:05:27.641 --> 01:05:32.361
know i i think you just know i think you just know when it's time for you to fight back.
01:05:33.958 --> 01:05:39.398
I think one day you just say, I think when you can laugh at it,
01:05:39.518 --> 01:05:42.178
then you know, then you know, no, not doing that. Yep.
01:05:42.618 --> 01:05:47.518
This far and no further. Yeah. I think you know that. It's frustrating.
01:05:48.478 --> 01:05:53.818
And yeah, like you said, I think about all the places that that was the last
01:05:53.818 --> 01:05:57.798
straw, you know, something that silly that had nothing to do with them.
01:05:57.978 --> 01:06:02.198
And it's just, that was the last, that was the last thing that pulled the plug
01:06:02.198 --> 01:06:07.958
is, you know, That's what we need to be wary of with this place is what's coming
01:06:07.958 --> 01:06:09.598
in the future and what's that going to be?
01:06:09.738 --> 01:06:16.278
What's going to be the thing that if we don't adapt, then we're now on the downhill?
01:06:16.498 --> 01:06:20.558
You can't prepare for that. You can't. You just have to guess and put things
01:06:20.558 --> 01:06:29.078
in the place that you hope might be the winning product later. Right.
01:06:31.938 --> 01:06:35.878
Y'all took that up after O'Donnell took it over.
01:06:37.438 --> 01:06:41.278
That happened. Daddy had those products he had, and that kept him open. Right.
01:06:42.398 --> 01:06:45.898
Now, he didn't think of it consciously when he was doing it,
01:06:46.038 --> 01:06:48.198
but that's probably what let him stay open.
01:06:48.338 --> 01:06:50.918
Now, the next generation and the one after that's taking it,
01:06:51.318 --> 01:06:55.218
and y'all doing some new products because you want to, but that might also be
01:06:55.218 --> 01:06:57.598
doing the same thing in the future. I know, and you don't know.
01:06:57.598 --> 01:07:00.678
Might keep you open. And you don't know. You don't know. So let's keep trying, you know?
01:07:01.318 --> 01:07:04.078
Yep. And y'all are. Y'all have. Y'all have done that.
01:07:06.678 --> 01:07:12.738
So how'd you see this place change over the years? Like if you'd say,
01:07:12.978 --> 01:07:16.798
what's the, like, I guess, has it changed?
01:07:17.098 --> 01:07:21.518
Is it different or is it just a different time? And it's the same place, different time.
01:07:21.678 --> 01:07:28.038
Just from my personal Biff Bourgeois viewpoint, the big things I saw that were different.
01:07:28.958 --> 01:07:31.678
That I wouldn't have liked as much when I worked here.
01:07:33.192 --> 01:07:38.012
Number one, there were at least, although I think y'all are changing again,
01:07:38.252 --> 01:07:42.512
but five, 10 years ago, work got very segregated.
01:07:43.912 --> 01:07:46.752
Departments. Yeah. You only did this all day. You only did this all day.
01:07:46.972 --> 01:07:49.172
And I liked doing everything. I liked the variety.
01:07:50.372 --> 01:07:53.672
But that's just me because I knew how to do it. I like doing all of it.
01:07:53.812 --> 01:07:57.332
So that's my personal opinion. That's not a judge of how to run a business. Right.
01:07:58.032 --> 01:08:00.512
Because there's a way to run a business that's better than another.
01:08:00.652 --> 01:08:04.032
I don't know anything about running a business. The other one was how many people
01:08:04.032 --> 01:08:08.832
are working here 15, 20 years ago compared to the two and three of us we had
01:08:08.832 --> 01:08:09.892
back when we were doing it.
01:08:10.372 --> 01:08:13.992
Now, I know they're moving a lot more product, but I don't know if they're moving
01:08:13.992 --> 01:08:15.512
30 times as much product.
01:08:15.592 --> 01:08:18.632
Correct. But maybe you are. I don't know. Like I said.
01:08:18.972 --> 01:08:23.092
But that's a fundamental change. A lot of people, you know, in segregated jobs.
01:08:24.112 --> 01:08:29.992
But that was some big changes. But other than that, you know, not really.
01:08:31.052 --> 01:08:35.952
The stopping of the slaughtering was a big one. But that's really about it.
01:08:36.412 --> 01:08:39.772
I'm getting used to where things are now and what this room is used for.
01:08:39.992 --> 01:08:43.232
Like I just found out last week that the slaughterhouse is a storage room.
01:08:43.312 --> 01:08:45.192
I walked in and I said, oh, man, the slaughterhouse.
01:08:46.532 --> 01:08:50.132
So you've been coming in on Fridays for a little bit now.
01:08:51.232 --> 01:08:54.312
What was that like? like maybe the first day you you
01:08:54.312 --> 01:08:56.972
said okay i'm staying i'm coming in the morning and i'm gonna
01:08:56.972 --> 01:09:00.232
stay till noon it was not what i expected well is
01:09:00.232 --> 01:09:03.012
i didn't think i was gonna keep coming was it
01:09:03.012 --> 01:09:06.812
a plan to like i'm coming today and i'm staying until noon or was it just no
01:09:06.812 --> 01:09:11.552
i'm just gonna do this and see if i stay it wasn't a plan until about a month
01:09:11.552 --> 01:09:16.672
ago all right it into a plan a month ago before that it was why first of all
01:09:16.672 --> 01:09:21.052
just plain or because i wanted to i wanted to do I wanted to do what I used to do.
01:09:22.480 --> 01:09:25.840
And no, it's more than that. I wanted to do what I used to do where I used to
01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:29.780
do it because in another place, I wouldn't have had any temptation to do it. Sure.
01:09:30.500 --> 01:09:35.660
So nostalgia is one thing, but I was not making any commitment or plan at all
01:09:35.660 --> 01:09:38.860
because I didn't know if how I was going to be received here,
01:09:38.940 --> 01:09:42.420
what it was going to be like working around these people that don't know me, what's he doing here.
01:09:43.180 --> 01:09:45.660
And like my daddy used to say about some people, well, I don't know,
01:09:45.740 --> 01:09:47.480
I can't fire him because I didn't hire him.
01:09:48.160 --> 01:09:54.000
Yeah. So those things, but the people that are already here in place that know
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:57.400
each other and been here were much different than I thought they'd be.
01:09:57.980 --> 01:10:00.480
They were fine with me. It seems like they were.
01:10:01.440 --> 01:10:04.600
And I had stuff to do and I was able to do it and y'all were letting me.
01:10:06.060 --> 01:10:09.620
I didn't feel anything making me think I shouldn't be doing this.
01:10:10.100 --> 01:10:13.840
So about a month ago, so it was fun. So somebody says, I'm coming every Friday.
01:10:14.440 --> 01:10:17.760
So it became a plan after I started. It wasn't a plan before that.
01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:22.200
It's really cool. It's something we've talked about for quite a while.
01:10:22.320 --> 01:10:24.800
I remember talking to mom about it a long time ago.
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:30.120
She just mentioned that you might enjoy it, that it might be something you like.
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:36.980
I do. And it's really cool. Y'all could probably make $5 an hour if y'all wanted
01:10:36.980 --> 01:10:40.160
to, if y'all asked me. Well, we'll let you, but you have to give us something.
01:10:41.700 --> 01:10:45.240
Y'all missed a good deal. It's not too late. No, it is now because they're girls
01:10:45.240 --> 01:10:55.440
like me. So Brody and Jeff, Brody is your third son and Jeff is your youngest son.
01:10:56.446 --> 01:10:59.446
Correct yes so what's it like with both
01:10:59.446 --> 01:11:02.306
of them here and i also don't know i can't
01:11:02.306 --> 01:11:05.546
remember if you started coming before
01:11:05.546 --> 01:11:08.506
jeff came or was joe was after he was okay so
01:11:08.506 --> 01:11:11.326
jeff was already here that's what helped me finally start doing right
01:11:11.326 --> 01:11:14.166
so brody has been here for a couple years now
01:11:14.166 --> 01:11:17.706
and then jeff your youngest started i
01:11:17.706 --> 01:11:21.226
think he's been about a year i think he hit a year so
01:11:21.226 --> 01:11:24.126
what's that's added on top so i'd say that's
01:11:24.126 --> 01:11:28.366
like a deal sweet i think you would have done it without them but i get i would
01:11:28.366 --> 01:11:32.326
assume that that's an added benefit is that you kind of get to see them both
01:11:32.326 --> 01:11:37.086
in a in a daily routine it also was a big thing in helping me try to finally
01:11:37.086 --> 01:11:40.986
do you know i've been thinking about doing something like this when i started
01:11:40.986 --> 01:11:42.526
taking fridays off two years ago,
01:11:43.386 --> 01:11:47.626
but yeah when jeff started that was a big motivation like now i can really you
01:11:47.626 --> 01:11:51.426
know felt like that was a little bit of an in so yeah that that's definitely
01:11:51.426 --> 01:11:54.966
a icing on the cake having two sons here. Absolutely.
01:11:55.386 --> 01:11:58.786
Well, and even just you and the boas here, you know, nephews,
01:11:58.946 --> 01:12:02.266
sons, that's all family. So that's a huge plus.
01:12:02.766 --> 01:12:06.206
Yeah. If this was owned by strangers, even though it's the same meat market,
01:12:06.366 --> 01:12:09.266
same, if you're selling the same thing, even if it's still called bourgeois,
01:12:09.406 --> 01:12:12.606
it wouldn't be the same without some family in here. Correct. It just wouldn't.
01:12:13.106 --> 01:12:17.706
And I actually, I like that I got a bourgeois living right across the street,
01:12:17.806 --> 01:12:20.086
just like they always had. I know. That is really cool.
01:12:21.526 --> 01:12:24.346
Yeah that that couldn't have went any other way you
01:12:24.346 --> 01:12:27.226
know yep awesome but all right what do you see for
01:12:27.226 --> 01:12:30.846
what's it i don't know what's it like being
01:12:30.846 --> 01:12:33.626
here with jeff and brody well it's
01:12:33.626 --> 01:12:39.086
is jeff the same here as he is at home so not much yes you're not seeing anything
01:12:39.086 --> 01:12:46.926
that you you're not seeing anything new nope nope he uh he what he does as you
01:12:46.926 --> 01:12:51.186
you probably know by now he's not He's not really doing it for the other people,
01:12:51.266 --> 01:12:55.226
even though the other people are getting a lot out of it, he's not doing it for them.
01:12:56.626 --> 01:12:59.826
And you know that if you ever see him doing it out in the middle of nowhere
01:12:59.826 --> 01:13:03.986
when nobody could possibly see him, if you can accidentally see him, you're still doing it.
01:13:06.727 --> 01:13:09.447
I know, and I don't know what that is. I don't know what you call it.
01:13:09.507 --> 01:13:16.307
I used to tell people I highly recommend Jeff and just leave it at that for whatever. Right.
01:13:17.747 --> 01:13:22.247
What do you, I don't know, what do you see for Jeff here in the future? What's it?
01:13:22.927 --> 01:13:25.987
It's hard to get a feel. It seems like he loves it here. He does.
01:13:26.027 --> 01:13:27.527
But I don't know what he wants to do.
01:13:28.407 --> 01:13:33.327
I don't either yet, and he might not either. But to me, if he's able to support
01:13:33.327 --> 01:13:38.467
a family working here, it'd be hard for me to imagine him leaving.
01:13:38.647 --> 01:13:40.207
He's not going to college.
01:13:40.687 --> 01:13:43.987
He has no interest in that. He wants to do something. He's got energy.
01:13:44.227 --> 01:13:46.207
You ever notice? Ooh, does he?
01:13:47.067 --> 01:13:49.767
Cool. I thought you might have picked up on that. He got some energy.
01:13:49.807 --> 01:13:51.967
Anyway, yeah, I would think.
01:13:52.287 --> 01:13:55.707
You ever seen him walk past the counter? He knocks all the deli papers off the
01:13:55.707 --> 01:13:58.087
scales with his backdraft.
01:13:58.947 --> 01:14:00.387
And sometimes he catches them.
01:14:02.147 --> 01:14:07.007
He'll walk past it. It floats off. Slap it back on. Oh, yeah.
01:14:07.307 --> 01:14:09.507
Oh, yeah. He's got some speed. He's very agile.
01:14:10.027 --> 01:14:13.127
He needs one. What's those hat cameras, you call them again?
01:14:13.427 --> 01:14:15.627
He needs a GoPro. He needs a GoPro.
01:14:15.987 --> 01:14:21.067
He needs one that has an extension that points at him. That would be worthwhile.
01:14:21.107 --> 01:14:23.587
We could live stream that on ESPN.
01:14:24.807 --> 01:14:26.767
You have people sponsoring that.
01:14:29.387 --> 01:14:34.987
So, I know most of the siblings have worked here to some extent.
01:14:35.947 --> 01:14:40.107
Mom has recently told me she has a little bit, which I didn't know she did much
01:14:40.107 --> 01:14:43.787
here, maybe helping with patties and stuff, like for the fair,
01:14:44.427 --> 01:14:46.647
and maybe cleaning, and maybe even customers.
01:14:46.967 --> 01:14:50.907
Yeah, cleaning. But do you remember any of that? Do you remember working with siblings at all?
01:14:51.307 --> 01:14:55.487
No, by that time, no, because when Daddy had let me go,
01:14:57.356 --> 01:14:59.876
I don't know if they did hardly anything in here, very little.
01:15:00.316 --> 01:15:02.216
It was about that time or after.
01:15:02.376 --> 01:15:06.136
As he had a little something extra, he'd get them in here like as a cushion
01:15:06.136 --> 01:15:09.636
because he had lost that regular trade of the patties.
01:15:10.416 --> 01:15:15.416
So that was probably after I left mostly. Before that, it would have been small.
01:15:15.556 --> 01:15:18.236
They might have done a little cleaning up, sweeping and stuff.
01:15:19.176 --> 01:15:23.756
It's weird though, that little move just was across the driveway from the house to the old market.
01:15:24.296 --> 01:15:27.836
And we talk about this in our sibling get-togethers once a month.
01:15:29.136 --> 01:15:34.536
I'm an introvert already, but when I did that, I just, I wasn't in touch with them as much.
01:15:34.696 --> 01:15:38.396
Right. And I found out much later that daddy didn't start till after that.
01:15:40.516 --> 01:15:43.796
Going upstairs and telling them stories at night, like I've been doing for my
01:15:43.796 --> 01:15:45.236
kids since they were born. Uh-huh.
01:15:45.376 --> 01:15:48.596
I wish I'd have been in our nose, because I would have liked to hear my dad's stories.
01:15:49.336 --> 01:15:55.496
That was after. So it's weird. it's almost like I was not in the family anymore.
01:15:56.076 --> 01:15:59.396
And I'm afraid I felt like I liked it that way. I was such a loner.
01:15:59.556 --> 01:16:02.916
Right. But I love being by myself going to do stuff. Now, why do you think that is?
01:16:05.236 --> 01:16:10.276
Influences or just, I don't know. Did you have a cowboy movie you liked and
01:16:10.276 --> 01:16:11.296
that's how you wanted to be?
01:16:11.536 --> 01:16:14.776
Well, that appealed to me. Right. But I don't think that's made me like that.
01:16:15.076 --> 01:16:17.536
No one taught you? No, not at all.
01:16:18.456 --> 01:16:22.496
My mom and dad, well, my mom and dad, My mom wasn't really an extrovert,
01:16:22.616 --> 01:16:24.216
but she was social. Dad was social.
01:16:25.736 --> 01:16:26.916
So I don't know.
01:16:28.676 --> 01:16:31.316
One of my siblings, I don't know, is John a little bit of an extrovert?
01:16:31.356 --> 01:16:32.236
I don't know if he is or not.
01:16:32.636 --> 01:16:37.536
I wouldn't say that. I probably wouldn't say that. Anyway, I was extreme like that, and I'm not sure.
01:16:37.816 --> 01:16:43.436
I have a suspicion of maybe one reason I might have been like that,
01:16:43.496 --> 01:16:46.756
but I don't know for sure if that's what it was because it would have been too
01:16:46.756 --> 01:16:47.836
far back for me to remember.
01:16:47.976 --> 01:16:51.336
So I'm not sure how I got that way. but I wish I wouldn't have been that way.
01:16:53.508 --> 01:16:57.108
Because since I was the oldest, I was spoiled by the aunts and uncles, you know, the first one.
01:16:57.488 --> 01:17:02.308
Aunt Ella took me under her wing. I was her favorite the rest of my life, the rest of her life.
01:17:02.508 --> 01:17:06.948
I got to do stuff the others didn't do first and all that, you know, being the first kid.
01:17:07.408 --> 01:17:12.548
So it wasn't because I wasn't treated well, but it was just my personality, I guess.
01:17:12.928 --> 01:17:17.908
And I'm still very much like that. I was. I was sort of an introvert in school.
01:17:18.768 --> 01:17:26.128
I wasn't shy. I, I didn't have a problem with, with saying something for everyone
01:17:26.128 --> 01:17:28.228
to hear, but it was not going to be long.
01:17:28.568 --> 01:17:33.328
It was going to, you know, I was okay with a, I was okay with like a one-liner
01:17:33.328 --> 01:17:39.328
in front of a classroom, but not five minutes of me being the center,
01:17:39.448 --> 01:17:41.188
center of attention. So I was never like that.
01:17:41.848 --> 01:17:46.268
And then when I joined the Marine Corps, I went to the embassy security.
01:17:46.268 --> 01:17:49.888
And so that was three years
01:17:49.888 --> 01:17:53.468
of me by myself really almost
01:17:53.468 --> 01:17:56.588
always I was almost always by myself on
01:17:56.588 --> 01:17:59.668
post you know it's a one-man post 12
01:17:59.668 --> 01:18:02.328
about about 12 hour shifts so I
01:18:02.328 --> 01:18:06.728
spent basically three years just mostly
01:18:06.728 --> 01:18:11.408
by myself I would I would I would still have training and
01:18:11.408 --> 01:18:16.988
in meetings and stuff where i would communicate but majority of my time at work
01:18:16.988 --> 01:18:22.848
it was i was alone so i got extra comfortable not needing any not needing to
01:18:22.848 --> 01:18:28.968
talk to anyone about anything so coming back home it it was very weird for me
01:18:28.968 --> 01:18:30.948
it was it was weird when people wanted to ask me,
01:18:31.688 --> 01:18:33.988
questions they want me to tell them like a story.
01:18:34.976 --> 01:18:39.216
And I just didn't really want to kind of just wanted to say,
01:18:39.436 --> 01:18:40.536
yeah, it was cool. Thanks.
01:18:40.876 --> 01:18:44.736
So for those three years though, let me actually just, at the time when you
01:18:44.736 --> 01:18:47.556
were in those three years, did you like being alone?
01:18:47.816 --> 01:18:50.476
Yeah, I was fine. Yeah, I was fine.
01:18:51.336 --> 01:18:57.376
It's not like I needed to go to a party to be around a bunch of people. I didn't need that.
01:18:57.776 --> 01:19:02.936
Okay. Well, I was like that, but I was shy. And as far as the party thing,
01:19:03.056 --> 01:19:07.256
needing to go to a party, the only thing I ever needed at a party was to get out of it.
01:19:07.596 --> 01:19:12.236
And I did that several times at the cost of walking home from long distances
01:19:12.236 --> 01:19:14.196
sometimes, one time carrying a bicycle.
01:19:14.396 --> 01:19:20.576
But yeah, so it was almost a detriment. I don't know why I was like that.
01:19:21.256 --> 01:19:24.796
Parties with a lot of racket, I don't see any meaningful talk coming out of
01:19:24.796 --> 01:19:26.936
there. You've got to yell. Yeah.
01:19:28.376 --> 01:19:31.836
And I guess it goes along with, I never learned how to dance.
01:19:32.036 --> 01:19:35.276
My wife says I don't dance, not I don't know how, but she says I don't.
01:19:35.396 --> 01:19:39.056
You refuse to. So I got a reword that I don't dance. Brody can dance.
01:19:39.616 --> 01:19:42.316
Oh, yeah. I've seen Brody dance, so he didn't learn that from you.
01:19:42.516 --> 01:19:46.036
Yeah. Jeff was born dancing. You didn't pass that down. Nope.
01:19:46.596 --> 01:19:49.916
So, all right, how many kids? Total.
01:19:50.756 --> 01:19:54.216
Total raised 11, three, first marriage.
01:19:54.216 --> 01:19:57.576
Married into two more one newborn and
01:19:57.576 --> 01:20:00.516
two years old jonathan and olivia and had six
01:20:00.516 --> 01:20:03.616
more nick jason brody jonathan olivia
01:20:03.616 --> 01:20:07.056
and then ellie becca adam katherine
01:20:07.056 --> 01:20:09.996
ann and jeff jeff jeff
01:20:09.996 --> 01:20:13.036
is the youngest jeff is right now and and
01:20:13.036 --> 01:20:17.036
probably 16 yes and then
01:20:17.036 --> 01:20:21.316
nick is the oldest nick would
01:20:21.316 --> 01:20:28.876
have been what 43 or 44 44 yeah we had his birthday this year already it could
01:20:28.876 --> 01:20:34.676
be 44 so nick brody and jason were the boys uh growing up which we did brody's
01:20:34.676 --> 01:20:41.016
podcast i i did explain that that nick brody and jason although there were other.
01:20:42.277 --> 01:20:47.597
Bourgeois cousins boys but they were the boys and everyone knew them as the
01:20:47.597 --> 01:20:51.537
when you said the boys you knew nick brody jason no matter who you were with
01:20:51.537 --> 01:20:55.577
or what you're talking about that didn't exist in my family you know we had
01:20:55.577 --> 01:21:00.757
four boys but those three did everything together almost always,
01:21:01.457 --> 01:21:05.397
so that's why we're called the boys and we treated them as though they were
01:21:05.397 --> 01:21:08.417
the same age after they were like five or six we just there was the three of
01:21:08.417 --> 01:21:10.277
them whatever one had to do the other two had do.
01:21:11.217 --> 01:21:14.777
So that's how to, I don't know why it happened like that. We didn't do that on purpose either.
01:21:15.097 --> 01:21:17.917
What was it like raising the boys versus the girls?
01:21:18.037 --> 01:21:25.977
Cause I just had my first boy and the girls are, Aubrey is nine and Austin's seven and zero.
01:21:26.197 --> 01:21:30.897
You did it right. So, all right. Two older girls, younger boy. That's right. Yes.
01:21:31.237 --> 01:21:33.877
Amount of space in between. I don't know about the space.
01:21:34.257 --> 01:21:36.417
Having the girl first, I think was right. Why?
01:21:37.277 --> 01:21:40.857
Just my experience. Complications? Discipline. training
01:21:40.857 --> 01:21:44.217
the girl first is it easier harder to
01:21:44.217 --> 01:21:47.097
me much harder because i was blindsided so you
01:21:47.097 --> 01:21:49.817
want to be able to do it with less distractions you want
01:21:49.817 --> 01:21:52.577
to be able to focus more on it because it's harder i want to learn on
01:21:52.577 --> 01:21:56.157
the harder one first so when the easier one comes along i'm not blindside now
01:21:56.157 --> 01:21:59.317
that might just be my particular boys and girls because the
01:21:59.317 --> 01:22:02.257
boys everything i did with them worked like
01:22:02.257 --> 01:22:07.137
magic almost i mean and they were disciplined they were spanked and corrected
01:22:07.137 --> 01:22:13.677
but it never was it was so simple and quick I mean before I came out of a closet
01:22:13.677 --> 01:22:18.637
or room or whatever where I had to do it they were smiling and happy even though
01:22:18.637 --> 01:22:21.477
they might have still some tears on their face, they recovered,
01:22:22.137 --> 01:22:24.337
then I got the first girl.
01:22:25.542 --> 01:22:28.782
That's a big old Academy Award performance. Yeah, Ellie. Yeah.
01:22:29.342 --> 01:22:34.002
Ellie Dom. Not the same. So you can't do them the same, but nobody told me that.
01:22:34.342 --> 01:22:37.102
Mm-hmm. Now, that might just be my particular boys and girls,
01:22:37.242 --> 01:22:41.802
you know? I know. I'm so interested to see. It's going to be interesting.
01:22:42.622 --> 01:22:45.642
Hopefully, your boys are even easier than your girls. Your girls might already
01:22:45.642 --> 01:22:48.242
be easy, if that's the case. They are. They are very, very good.
01:22:48.362 --> 01:22:49.902
We're good. They're very, very disciplined.
01:22:50.102 --> 01:22:54.822
Good for you. I don't know what to worry about yet. I'm sure there's things
01:22:54.822 --> 01:22:57.882
that I should be worrying about, but I don't know what they are yet.
01:22:59.242 --> 01:23:04.182
Not having super big struggles. Good. As of now.
01:23:05.682 --> 01:23:10.382
And I will tell you, up till 10 or 12, every one of them were much easier.
01:23:10.602 --> 01:23:14.382
Right. And they started to make that transition. Well, we're not yet to,
01:23:14.822 --> 01:23:17.462
you know, they don't have their own phones yet.
01:23:17.882 --> 01:23:21.382
That's going to change. You know, but it's not very far off.
01:23:21.502 --> 01:23:26.522
It's not very far off. so that that'll be a big a big thing like how to you
01:23:26.522 --> 01:23:29.502
know how to do it planning planning ahead and,
01:23:30.262 --> 01:23:33.482
implementing the rules that we're gonna have that's gonna
01:23:33.482 --> 01:23:36.382
be tough yeah it's harder and they
01:23:36.382 --> 01:23:41.622
kind of get they might get more of that at you know austin might get that at
01:23:41.622 --> 01:23:46.182
her mom's house more often and then aubrey might get that at her dad's more
01:23:46.182 --> 01:23:51.642
often so us coming up with well this is what we're gonna do right that's good
01:23:51.642 --> 01:23:54.382
that's gonna that's gonna Still up in the air, you know?
01:23:55.162 --> 01:23:58.082
That's tough. Yep, well, as long as your heart's in the right place and you
01:23:58.082 --> 01:24:00.942
want to do good for them. Just love them and do it.
01:24:03.055 --> 01:24:08.375
Jason, I plan on getting Jason on here. We'll talk about all of his military
01:24:08.375 --> 01:24:14.275
experience because he's had a very interesting route, I'd say, just like I did.
01:24:14.875 --> 01:24:19.935
I am not the norm when it comes to what my time in the service was like at all.
01:24:21.095 --> 01:24:23.915
It's very rare that someone takes a path that I took.
01:24:24.695 --> 01:24:30.675
I think same with Jason because he did Marines first, then Air Force.
01:24:31.395 --> 01:24:34.195
That right there is that right there is
01:24:34.195 --> 01:24:37.415
rare that's very rare i mean i think he stayed same
01:24:37.415 --> 01:24:40.175
he stayed in military police for both
01:24:40.175 --> 01:24:43.755
of those and then going contractor out that's
01:24:43.755 --> 01:24:47.395
a that's a very specific pattern and
01:24:47.395 --> 01:24:50.175
i don't know if it's luck that got him there or he was a
01:24:50.175 --> 01:24:53.295
certain way that got him there but it's not it's unique
01:24:53.295 --> 01:24:56.895
and so if people ask me you
01:24:56.895 --> 01:24:59.535
know when people if jeff were to ask me should I join the
01:24:59.535 --> 01:25:02.755
military I have to first say look here
01:25:02.755 --> 01:25:05.695
was my experience here's the chances of you having
01:25:05.695 --> 01:25:10.035
the experience I have it's very small because I don't know exactly what landed
01:25:10.035 --> 01:25:14.815
me there um and I'd say the same for Jason but I am interested to kind of hear
01:25:14.815 --> 01:25:21.035
more of I don't really know Jason's military track story Brody's is Brody's
01:25:21.035 --> 01:25:24.535
got a ton of stuff going on as well And I don't know all of it.
01:25:24.675 --> 01:25:27.755
And I don't know all of Nick's story either.
01:25:28.095 --> 01:25:33.695
I know Nick's story about pursuing the SEALs, like Navy SEAL.
01:25:34.075 --> 01:25:36.555
You know, Brody kind of caught me up on most of that.
01:25:37.495 --> 01:25:42.035
I went to his graduation at the Naval Academy. Other than that,
01:25:42.115 --> 01:25:44.495
I don't really know about much of it.
01:25:45.175 --> 01:25:49.555
I read some news articles about some of his time in Afghanistan.
01:25:50.375 --> 01:25:57.955
I remember one time they had kind of extended their budget on a mission.
01:25:57.955 --> 01:26:01.855
They were out on a patrol or something, and they kind of got pinned down somewhere
01:26:01.855 --> 01:26:04.875
where they couldn't leave, and they didn't have enough supplies.
01:26:05.315 --> 01:26:08.515
They didn't expect this, and they couldn't.
01:26:08.575 --> 01:26:12.375
Basically, their resupply got cut off, and they were kind of there for more
01:26:12.375 --> 01:26:14.055
than they wanted to be there.
01:26:14.495 --> 01:26:18.735
And I remember that coming out as like a little news, maybe a little news article
01:26:18.735 --> 01:26:21.695
about his company and his platoon.
01:26:22.175 --> 01:26:27.355
But, man, I wish I knew more about his service time. I don't know if it would
01:26:27.355 --> 01:26:32.875
take, I bet Brody has reached out to some of his guys that he served with.
01:26:32.875 --> 01:26:36.155
I'm sure he's gotten in communication with one of them at least once.
01:26:36.355 --> 01:26:40.835
I wonder, because the phone calls we had, which were kind of few and far between
01:26:40.835 --> 01:26:43.995
in that period, you're talking about AFTA and the Academy. Mm-hmm.
01:26:45.087 --> 01:26:48.967
He'd give me the gist of something mostly about family, about Miranda,
01:26:49.267 --> 01:26:53.527
boys, whatever, and any big thing that might have just happened.
01:26:53.807 --> 01:26:58.047
But as far as these experiences you're talking about and the other things he
01:26:58.047 --> 01:27:01.727
went through, he touched on those little, but I kept saying,
01:27:01.827 --> 01:27:03.947
well, I'm going to want to hear all.
01:27:04.027 --> 01:27:07.687
When you get back, I'm going to want to spend a lot of time doing everything
01:27:07.687 --> 01:27:10.387
you did and how did this come about and some of the things.
01:27:10.487 --> 01:27:13.187
He says, yeah, there's a lot more to it. So I was saving that,
01:27:13.367 --> 01:27:15.227
but it didn't work out that way.
01:27:15.347 --> 01:27:19.087
So yeah, there was some stuff that I definitely don't know quite a bit.
01:27:20.647 --> 01:27:25.747
So Nick's car accident was in 2010. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah,
01:27:25.887 --> 01:27:27.907
in June. 2010, I was in Korea.
01:27:28.467 --> 01:27:34.747
Really? I was in Pohang, Korea. I was on my second year there, I believe.
01:27:35.367 --> 01:27:40.707
I had applied for the Marine Security Guard, the embassy security.
01:27:40.707 --> 01:27:46.647
I had applied for that to go to that school and they extended me and while I was extended there,
01:27:47.127 --> 01:27:49.907
is when I had gotten a call about Nick so
01:27:49.907 --> 01:27:54.507
I ended up coming I ended up being able to take leave for that yeah I got a
01:27:54.507 --> 01:28:00.307
special because he was family actually it might have been because he was family
01:28:00.307 --> 01:28:04.847
and because he was in service I think that's the only reason because if you're
01:28:04.847 --> 01:28:09.027
not if If it's not an immediate family member, I don't think you get to go.
01:28:09.207 --> 01:28:14.067
But because he was a Marine, because it was family, I was able to actually take
01:28:14.067 --> 01:28:20.547
leave. So I took like a week of leave, flew home from Korea for the funeral. I do remember that.
01:28:21.787 --> 01:28:27.867
That was big for me, being me at that time. I remember it.
01:28:27.947 --> 01:28:30.687
I remember it very vividly. I remember getting the
01:28:30.687 --> 01:28:33.447
phone call in my in my barracks room
01:28:33.447 --> 01:28:36.267
in Korea and it was very much one
01:28:36.267 --> 01:28:43.227
of those on kind of unbelievable like yeah it don't are you sure it was like
01:28:43.227 --> 01:28:48.347
oh your mom called you most likely yeah it had to be mom but it was one of those
01:28:48.347 --> 01:28:53.527
I was like I don't know if I believe that yeah are you sure it was kind of are you sure.
01:28:56.196 --> 01:29:02.556
I don't know, what was it like for you? I guess what was the process like maybe
01:29:02.556 --> 01:29:05.676
over a couple years? What's that process look like?
01:29:06.936 --> 01:29:12.076
Yeah, the news was just like that. It was surreal for some reason. I don't know.
01:29:13.156 --> 01:29:17.196
Yeah, well, it was a lot of things built up that you just had to try to start
01:29:17.196 --> 01:29:18.456
letting go a little bit at a time.
01:29:18.616 --> 01:29:24.196
You know, one of them is waiting for him to finally get back and a lot of stuff we want to talk about.
01:29:25.576 --> 01:29:28.716
But yeah it was the grieving process
01:29:28.716 --> 01:29:33.016
in my case was a few weeks because
01:29:33.016 --> 01:29:36.196
i was kind of thankful there was something about nicholas that i that i knew
01:29:36.196 --> 01:29:40.436
at the time that wasn't true about any of my other children at the time the
01:29:40.436 --> 01:29:45.196
other 10 that made it much more okay for it to be nicholas than any of the other
01:29:45.196 --> 01:29:51.496
ones so that that was somewhat of a comfort believe it or not but yeah and after
01:29:51.496 --> 01:29:52.816
that is just when I think about it, you know,
01:29:52.936 --> 01:29:56.516
you get that thing in your pit of your stomach when you think about it, but the grieving,
01:29:56.836 --> 01:29:58.976
it was it wasn't really long.
01:29:59.576 --> 01:30:04.176
It was just sad, you know, that's all. It was, I think the one that took it,
01:30:04.496 --> 01:30:09.796
believe it or not, the hardest out of our immediate family was Olivia.
01:30:10.916 --> 01:30:16.256
Because he always treated Jonathan Olivia extra special since they were kind
01:30:16.256 --> 01:30:20.116
of not, you know, as part of the family as they might have wanted to be. Right.
01:30:20.576 --> 01:30:24.036
What all the other bourgeois They were Lirettes growing up with bourgeois,
01:30:24.236 --> 01:30:27.296
but yeah, she took it really hard.
01:30:27.836 --> 01:30:34.576
I remember when I came home and I heard she was orally, I mean,
01:30:34.816 --> 01:30:37.136
I heard her voice vocally crying in the living room.
01:30:37.616 --> 01:30:41.496
And I was in the kitchen and Dee told me what the phone call was just about.
01:30:41.656 --> 01:30:45.676
And for the next 10 minutes, Olivia was still trying to control her crying.
01:30:46.376 --> 01:30:53.016
She took it really bad. man such a yeah and then we had to get we had to get
01:30:53.016 --> 01:30:57.936
all the stuff back it was actually kept me busy because when all the stuff got
01:30:57.936 --> 01:30:59.816
back they had an 18 wheeler full of.
01:31:01.216 --> 01:31:06.076
160 something boxes and loose things and all we had to put that on pallets and
01:31:06.076 --> 01:31:09.396
vita paint so i kept busy with that and we had to go through all that stuff
01:31:09.396 --> 01:31:12.896
a little bit of time had to get miranda here find a place for her to live so
01:31:12.896 --> 01:31:16.216
we started just started fun that was good to have something to do.
01:31:16.696 --> 01:31:19.256
It almost felt like we were helping Nicholas.
01:31:19.996 --> 01:31:23.016
So that was good. It helped the healing process.
01:31:23.416 --> 01:31:27.876
She got her back here and she's doing great now. So it really all turned out
01:31:27.876 --> 01:31:29.916
about as good as it possibly could have turned out.
01:31:30.096 --> 01:31:36.256
And now, so I didn't mention this, which is crazy, but not only do you have
01:31:36.256 --> 01:31:38.656
Brody and Jeff, but you have Shriver here.
01:31:39.016 --> 01:31:48.476
So Shriver is Nick's oldest son and he was what one he was maybe a year old
01:31:48.476 --> 01:31:51.616
at the time of the wreck no he was more than a year.
01:31:53.270 --> 01:31:57.030
He must have been about a little over two. No, less than two.
01:31:57.490 --> 01:32:01.430
He probably wasn't. He's a toddler. Yeah. Because David had just been born.
01:32:01.550 --> 01:32:05.090
David was a baby. So, I mean, look at him now.
01:32:05.750 --> 01:32:07.810
You know? That's what's so cool.
01:32:07.990 --> 01:32:12.370
That's what's really cool to see now is look at those boys. Oh, yeah.
01:32:12.730 --> 01:32:20.570
And that's special. So, Shriever is officially the first fifth generation employed here.
01:32:20.810 --> 01:32:25.870
That's what's really cool. That is cool. So, yeah, we have, and currently in
01:32:25.870 --> 01:32:31.630
the building right now, we have one, two, three, yeah, three generations.
01:32:32.190 --> 01:32:37.470
Yeah. Okay, so we have three generations in the building, and Schriever is the
01:32:37.470 --> 01:32:44.010
first official on the books employee of the fifth generation.
01:32:44.010 --> 01:32:47.270
Of the fifth generation. Wow. That's pretty incredible.
01:32:47.790 --> 01:32:52.010
Just a little bit. And the other ones are not far behind. Right.
01:32:52.010 --> 01:32:53.930
That's what's weird. A little warning.
01:32:54.390 --> 01:32:59.170
If it happens that Shreva's brother, David, wants to come work here,
01:32:59.270 --> 01:33:02.730
you may want to go back to the segregating the jobs and separating people.
01:33:03.510 --> 01:33:07.270
Him and Jeff in the same room. I don't know. Too fast?
01:33:08.630 --> 01:33:12.430
Can he keep up with Jeff? I think maybe he might be able to.
01:33:12.730 --> 01:33:15.810
Wow. When he's in the right. I would expect nothing less.
01:33:16.830 --> 01:33:18.270
I would expect nothing less.
01:33:19.650 --> 01:33:26.130
What's your favorite What's your favorite Pawpaw story Wow Wow.
01:33:27.443 --> 01:33:34.943
Some of my last experiences with him were almost some of the best,
01:33:35.043 --> 01:33:40.643
you know, with the crabbing trip where he started throwing the nets out and we were broken down,
01:33:40.983 --> 01:33:46.503
trying to get in on half a battery from almost 11 miles out of Point of Shame. I did hear about this.
01:33:46.823 --> 01:33:51.323
Y'all broke down. Y'all are out of gas and y'all are trolling back.
01:33:51.463 --> 01:33:52.543
The motor wouldn't start.
01:33:52.703 --> 01:33:55.683
Motor wouldn't start, but the trolling motor was working. So y'all were going
01:33:55.683 --> 01:33:58.503
to troll back to the launch.
01:33:59.043 --> 01:34:03.443
And while y'all are trolling back, you look back and notice that he's been dropping
01:34:03.443 --> 01:34:07.123
crab traps out while y'all are on your way back on the trolling mode.
01:34:07.143 --> 01:34:09.643
Yeah. And we hadn't seen a boat in an hour and a half.
01:34:09.823 --> 01:34:12.903
Right. Because we were going way out in the middle of the well from the highway.
01:34:13.003 --> 01:34:14.583
He wanted to know where the canal went.
01:34:15.023 --> 01:34:19.563
So we were like nine miles down the canal and we broke down as soon as we turned around.
01:34:20.223 --> 01:34:23.243
And we'd been going an hour and a half and he didn't know much battery he had
01:34:23.243 --> 01:34:25.263
left. and we hadn't seen a boat yet.
01:34:25.503 --> 01:34:30.363
And I found out he was throwing crab traps out, which he wasn't throwing them away.
01:34:30.663 --> 01:34:33.603
That meant he went to go check them afterwards. You still have to go backwards.
01:34:33.603 --> 01:34:38.863
So either we got to use trolling, which my knees were already getting fiberglass splinters in them.
01:34:38.883 --> 01:34:41.883
I had shorts on and he had only seat in the back.
01:34:42.023 --> 01:34:44.603
So I was kneeling down on the fiberglass steering the motor.
01:34:45.583 --> 01:34:49.063
And so we'd either have to turn around or if somebody did finally show up,
01:34:49.163 --> 01:34:54.063
we'd have had to ask him to tow us back to check the trap. Go get my traps. that I just dropped.
01:34:54.183 --> 01:34:57.423
Didn't like the thought of that too much either. Everything turned out.
01:34:58.483 --> 01:35:01.543
We got picked up. Not the first boat.
01:35:01.643 --> 01:35:05.923
The first boat slowed down and said, are y'all all right? And daddy said,
01:35:06.683 --> 01:35:07.923
motor broke down, won't start.
01:35:08.223 --> 01:35:11.263
And the guy said, I've been there before.
01:35:12.163 --> 01:35:13.403
And took off.
01:35:14.403 --> 01:35:18.783
And about a half hour later, a man and his little 10-year-old boy stopped,
01:35:19.043 --> 01:35:21.863
very small boat, and he started pulling us in.
01:35:21.863 --> 01:35:27.763
And an hour or so in, Daddy decided to, he remembered that he had one time the
01:35:27.763 --> 01:35:32.163
safety switch on the motor was, on the throttle was loose.
01:35:32.423 --> 01:35:36.223
So he checked it about two or three hundred yards from the pier,
01:35:36.343 --> 01:35:40.343
almost to the pier to fly up to launch. It cranked up. And it cranked up.
01:35:41.103 --> 01:35:43.863
And then he started throwing, looking for stuff on the throat,
01:35:44.023 --> 01:35:47.163
throw rocks to try to get the guy's attention that was towing us to tell us.
01:35:48.518 --> 01:35:53.578
He got his daughter. He didn't have to finish. And I tried not to say nothing, but I couldn't help it.
01:35:53.698 --> 01:35:56.618
I said, Dad, you really have to tell him. Let's don't tell him.
01:35:56.678 --> 01:36:01.138
He said, I guess he's telling him. I guess just let him finish.
01:36:01.598 --> 01:36:06.718
So I was glad we got that. So we made it to the people, let him tour us in and thanked him. Right.
01:36:07.338 --> 01:36:10.818
There's nothing saying you can't do that every time. Just make a friend.
01:36:11.858 --> 01:36:14.798
Flag somebody down. Say, hey, pull me in, bud. You're right.
01:36:14.918 --> 01:36:17.018
And we'll make a friend. Make you a quick friend. Yep.
01:36:17.818 --> 01:36:24.258
So his fishing, his lifetime fishing buddy is Dr. Hanson, Ernie Hanson.
01:36:24.718 --> 01:36:31.558
I believe it's true that he was invited on a trip and got left behind.
01:36:31.558 --> 01:36:36.898
So he just went knock on Ernie's door and said, I was planning on going fishing today, but.
01:36:37.058 --> 01:36:39.838
Uncle Harold. How'd that go? Uncle Harold got sick.
01:36:40.178 --> 01:36:43.698
He was invited to go fishing with Ernie because he was doing work at his house.
01:36:43.898 --> 01:36:46.898
Got to be friends and Ernie said, let's go fishing. You fishing?
01:36:47.018 --> 01:36:50.438
Yeah, let's go Saturday. Anyway, Harold called Dad.
01:36:51.418 --> 01:36:55.238
Dad said, yeah, I'm going to go. He gave me his address, and Dad just went and knocked on the door.
01:36:56.018 --> 01:36:59.218
And Ernie opened the door, and Dad was standing there with his hat.
01:36:59.318 --> 01:37:02.598
He didn't know who he was. He says, my brother Harold says you want to go fishing.
01:37:04.458 --> 01:37:10.878
That's how they met. That's so cool. That's awesome. That is a good one, a very good one.
01:37:11.618 --> 01:37:18.298
Never an uneventful trip. Nope. With that man. No, you're right about that.
01:37:19.758 --> 01:37:27.118
We'd fish maybe every week. We'd probably go every Tuesday for a little while, a couple of years.
01:37:27.518 --> 01:37:30.998
We'd go at least every Tuesday. Wow. At minimum.
01:37:31.638 --> 01:37:35.178
Yeah, he closed the market on Tuesdays in the summertime. But man,
01:37:35.298 --> 01:37:39.498
I hated it because he had to go eat breakfast first. He had to.
01:37:40.238 --> 01:37:45.238
And you're not leaving out of here until 9.30. It's hot. It's hot. Okay.
01:37:46.418 --> 01:37:49.478
About 9 30 but yeah
01:37:49.478 --> 01:37:52.318
do large mostly we'd mostly
01:37:52.318 --> 01:37:55.298
go to do large really yep a lot
01:37:55.298 --> 01:37:58.298
of lost lake fish a lot of lost lake i've never
01:37:58.298 --> 01:38:02.778
been in a gulf with him that would i do wish i could have gotten some some time
01:38:02.778 --> 01:38:07.238
with him in the gulf never never fished a gulf with him i know he wasn't crazy
01:38:07.238 --> 01:38:11.858
big on it but he's done it he did do it sometimes done it remember when his
01:38:11.858 --> 01:38:17.758
forward gear went on in a seabird and he had to try to get back to the Grand Isle, off Grand Isle.
01:38:18.058 --> 01:38:20.538
He had to try to get back to the island. It was at the first rig,
01:38:20.638 --> 01:38:21.898
which I think was six miles out.
01:38:22.398 --> 01:38:27.058
He had to try to get back in reverse. And boy, that's not smooth sailing going in reverse in the Gulf.
01:38:28.338 --> 01:38:32.278
We eventually got towed in after about an hour. But yeah, that was slow.
01:38:32.298 --> 01:38:34.958
You had to reverse all the way back. It was throwing a lot of water in the boat.
01:38:38.178 --> 01:38:40.198
I meant to ask you this earlier, but...
01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:44.939
I'm always cooking. Do you remember anything special? What was your favorite
01:38:44.939 --> 01:38:47.239
thing she cooked? Oh, favorite.
01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:52.579
Well, it wasn't a regular thing she cooked. In fact, she didn't like to do it
01:38:52.579 --> 01:38:53.779
often because it was a lot of labor.
01:38:54.059 --> 01:38:57.679
But my favorite food when she'd make it is crawfish bisque.
01:38:58.099 --> 01:39:02.179
I mean, I just thought that was so good. And maybe it helped that it was rare,
01:39:02.259 --> 01:39:04.519
too. She didn't do it often like that.
01:39:04.859 --> 01:39:10.219
Just her stews, she made more stew than gumbos and stuff like that.
01:39:10.219 --> 01:39:13.799
And I really like any kind of stew, pork chop stew, beef stew,
01:39:13.959 --> 01:39:15.039
whatever it was. I like stew.
01:39:15.379 --> 01:39:18.699
And I like my dad's mom's stew. We called her mom.
01:39:19.099 --> 01:39:22.719
I liked her stews too. So I'm a stew guy. I like rice and gravy and stuff like
01:39:22.719 --> 01:39:26.879
that. Do you remember her teaching y'all how to cook? Well, not me. No? No.
01:39:27.779 --> 01:39:30.659
I'm sure she taught the girls some things. I don't know if she taught the boys
01:39:30.659 --> 01:39:34.419
anything. But no, I was not taught cooking anything at all.
01:39:35.299 --> 01:39:42.079
Hmm. I learned how to, in fifth grade, I started, because I was always an early riser. I still am.
01:39:42.379 --> 01:39:45.999
And I'd get up before everybody, including mom and dad. And I'd cook my own
01:39:45.999 --> 01:39:48.699
breakfast and wash all the dishes before they got up.
01:39:48.779 --> 01:39:53.599
But I learned to fry eggs and scramble eggs and cook bacon and baked biscuits.
01:39:53.799 --> 01:39:57.519
Of course, that's not really cooking, but I did that without asking anybody.
01:39:57.659 --> 01:40:01.499
I just tried, and it wasn't perfect the first few times. But that's really easy.
01:40:01.639 --> 01:40:03.719
So I don't know if I call it cooking, but it is cooking.
01:40:04.139 --> 01:40:07.119
But as far as recipes, no, that wasn't until much later in my life.
01:40:07.219 --> 01:40:10.479
I started doing stuff like that. My mom will still do that crawfish bisque.
01:40:10.719 --> 01:40:13.579
She'll stuff the heads and everything. Man, that's good.
01:40:13.719 --> 01:40:17.199
And I guess the second best, and I got this one crawfish bisque,
01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:21.179
was turtle soup with the snapping turtles. Man, that was good soup.
01:40:21.919 --> 01:40:26.919
Really like that. I wonder how many turtles have been taken out of this bayou right here.
01:40:28.739 --> 01:40:33.659
Well, Jacob caught 39 one day. I know. About two hours. Now that I know.
01:40:34.639 --> 01:40:36.779
39? Yeah, he had it counted.
01:40:38.419 --> 01:40:39.959
And the bait was a little piece of meat.
01:40:42.199 --> 01:40:45.959
Daddy never was able to get those soft shells to bite on his line.
01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:49.219
But I'm realizing, I think our cast net will get one of those.
01:40:49.339 --> 01:40:50.519
Now, you might lose your cast net.
01:40:51.539 --> 01:40:54.739
But now that I know that's good for turtle soup, I might do that.
01:40:54.779 --> 01:40:56.919
Because I got the recipe. I want to make some turkey. So I haven't had that
01:40:56.919 --> 01:40:59.359
since mom died. It's been a while since we've taken one.
01:41:00.619 --> 01:41:07.019
We've done a couple. Last turtle soup I was at some restaurant in Napoleonville, Olive, whatever.
01:41:07.719 --> 01:41:11.079
It was nothing like that. I've gotten it before, too, somewhere within the past
01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:14.439
year. I don't remember where it was, but it was not special.
01:41:15.179 --> 01:41:18.559
Yeah, that was good. But I liked it. I mean, I ate anything she cooked.
01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:22.559
We weren't picky eaters. Whatever she cooked, we ate it, and it was always good.
01:41:23.419 --> 01:41:31.319
What do you see technology-wise just, I don't know, as part of daily life?
01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:33.559
How has that changed? My daily life now?
01:41:34.779 --> 01:41:40.639
I'd say ours as people. Or culture? As people. Oh, well, it's the same answer
01:41:40.639 --> 01:41:42.759
everybody else is going to give. How do you feel about it?
01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:47.359
Is it scary? Is it weird to see? Do you try to avoid it?
01:41:48.539 --> 01:41:53.579
Yeah, I do, as much as possible. For instance, if Vida hadn't bought me this
01:41:53.579 --> 01:41:56.919
flip phone about eight years ago, I may not have a phone.
01:41:57.419 --> 01:41:59.879
I'm not sure about that. I'm not playing a phone.
01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:03.459
Yeah. And I actually use the phone now and then since I have it.
01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:08.919
And what is it? I don't know. You know how we talked about seeing changes and
01:42:08.919 --> 01:42:14.219
wondering what difference is this going to make? Is this good or bad when things change?
01:42:14.599 --> 01:42:19.459
Well, this is a technology that 20 years ago you might have seen a flip phone
01:42:19.459 --> 01:42:21.579
or a cell phone in a car, the big thing.
01:42:22.319 --> 01:42:27.379
Now everybody has one down to 10 years old in their pocket and they're staring
01:42:27.379 --> 01:42:30.139
at it and they're sitting at restaurants all together, each with their own.
01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:35.279
So far it looks weird and it's a little scary to me because of my age.
01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:40.059
But I'm wondering what's that can't have no effect on the next generation of
01:42:40.059 --> 01:42:44.299
people what's this is this going to make a change and can it be a good change
01:42:44.299 --> 01:42:48.219
can it possibly be good so I don't know the change I'm not I can't predict the
01:42:48.219 --> 01:42:53.279
future it just doesn't seem like it's a good direction but I can't explain why I think that,
01:42:53.819 --> 01:42:58.119
one thing people aren't doing things instead you know you're not really doing something,
01:42:59.339 --> 01:43:02.319
it's you're feeding your.
01:43:03.779 --> 01:43:06.439
Attention your whatever your attention
01:43:06.439 --> 01:43:09.219
span you're feeding that you're getting
01:43:09.219 --> 01:43:12.419
something without doing something you're getting something constantly
01:43:12.419 --> 01:43:15.339
and you don't notice it you don't feel it but the
01:43:15.339 --> 01:43:18.279
chemicals are happening you're getting something your brain should get by working
01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:21.499
and they know that and and they're not working it's still getting it and they
01:43:21.499 --> 01:43:26.059
know that and they create everything that we see they create it to do that it's
01:43:26.059 --> 01:43:29.699
because they make money that's the purpose of it is that they're just they're
01:43:29.699 --> 01:43:34.239
buying a little more and more of your attention and even.
01:43:35.807 --> 01:43:40.627
Say I'm definitely bad. You know, I'm definitely bad with it compared,
01:43:41.087 --> 01:43:44.967
compared, comparing myself to maybe my peers.
01:43:44.967 --> 01:43:49.587
I definitely see that I might be on one side of things, whereas they might be
01:43:49.587 --> 01:43:55.927
on the other side of things, but I can give myself rules or I can kind of see where I'm going.
01:43:56.087 --> 01:43:59.867
And like, maybe when I'm looking at my phone too much, we have social media
01:43:59.867 --> 01:44:07.647
and I use social media for business more than personal or more than pleasure.
01:44:08.067 --> 01:44:17.747
But even that, I'll catch myself opening Facebook or opening Instagram and you're just scrolling.
01:44:17.967 --> 01:44:20.907
You're not really looking at anything. You're not looking for something.
01:44:22.187 --> 01:44:27.027
Even if you see something that you like, it's not important or whatever.
01:44:27.247 --> 01:44:31.547
Or if someone, and I catch myself doing this and I've tried to.
01:44:33.087 --> 01:44:36.807
Regulate it I've tried to You know I don't know Try to make rules for myself
01:44:36.807 --> 01:44:42.587
On when When I can And when I can't And stuff like this But You know If I could
01:44:42.587 --> 01:44:44.007
say that I'm not gonna touch my phone,
01:44:45.331 --> 01:44:50.251
know, for the rest of the afternoon, but I have a timer for the smoked sausage.
01:44:50.911 --> 01:44:54.711
Well, when my phone rings for the smoked sausage, it's very easy.
01:44:54.851 --> 01:44:57.831
This is how, I guess, deep we are.
01:44:58.671 --> 01:45:05.371
I can cancel my alarm and then I can just go open up Facebook and I can go boom,
01:45:05.491 --> 01:45:06.551
boom, boom. Crap, I'm scrolling.
01:45:06.711 --> 01:45:09.791
Now I put it down, right? Like that's easy.
01:45:09.931 --> 01:45:14.711
And that's me think, that's me trying to avoid it. If I wasn't trying to avoid
01:45:14.711 --> 01:45:17.591
it, it's, I don't know what the end is.
01:45:17.811 --> 01:45:20.971
I don't see many people trying to avoid anything about it. And that's why I
01:45:20.971 --> 01:45:23.411
say, I think I'm on a different scale of it.
01:45:23.711 --> 01:45:28.851
Not that I'm much better. I still do it. I still scroll.
01:45:29.111 --> 01:45:32.171
I still have the mindless scrolling, but I do know that.
01:45:32.291 --> 01:45:35.271
I know that I mindless scroll. I think a lot of people don't know.
01:45:35.871 --> 01:45:37.511
It's just a part of their thing.
01:45:38.451 --> 01:45:41.211
You know, so. I think it's harmless. Things like waking up and,
01:45:41.251 --> 01:45:44.931
you know, I've gone through periods where, and I still do it,
01:45:45.451 --> 01:45:49.491
whereas like I wake up in the morning and like that might be one of the first
01:45:49.491 --> 01:45:54.871
things you do is check some emails or check someone sent you a video on Facebook.
01:45:54.911 --> 01:45:58.911
So you might be laying there, you can barely open your eyes.
01:45:59.191 --> 01:46:03.851
And right now you feel like you need to watch this video a friend sent you.
01:46:03.951 --> 01:46:07.471
And it's hard to break that once, you know, once you get stuck in that rut.
01:46:07.471 --> 01:46:11.431
But that's just with this and i
01:46:11.431 --> 01:46:14.691
see where everything else is going and you know
01:46:14.691 --> 01:46:20.351
i've used some some like ai software and programming stuff like that that is
01:46:20.351 --> 01:46:24.471
going to be much more powerful than this and i and we're already caught in this
01:46:24.471 --> 01:46:29.591
so i don't yeah it's scary it's like what what are we going to be stuck on and
01:46:29.591 --> 01:46:33.711
how what are you going to need to do to like separate yourself,
01:46:34.731 --> 01:46:38.811
I can't guess what the results would be, but I would,
01:46:40.461 --> 01:46:46.041
99% sure they're not going to be good, but I don't know what it's going to be. Something's missing.
01:46:46.741 --> 01:46:49.521
Something good is missing, and I don't know what that's going to cause.
01:46:51.181 --> 01:46:58.021
Even the way we communicate now, I mean, you can't argue that if you spend more
01:46:58.021 --> 01:47:04.841
time talking to people, you're going to develop better relationships, whatever.
01:47:05.081 --> 01:47:08.461
People are going to mean more to you. You're going to rely on people more.
01:47:08.461 --> 01:47:11.901
There's that versus sending in
01:47:11.901 --> 01:47:14.761
a text or sending a something on social
01:47:14.761 --> 01:47:18.581
media or an email and then like you
01:47:18.581 --> 01:47:22.141
write a lot you've written hand you've handwritten
01:47:22.141 --> 01:47:26.021
you've sent letters you're probably your whole life that is
01:47:26.021 --> 01:47:28.761
a whole like that's another I don't know avenue of the
01:47:28.761 --> 01:47:32.861
technology between speaking and say
01:47:32.861 --> 01:47:36.141
communicating like digitally right that's still there but
01:47:36.141 --> 01:47:39.141
not a lot of people do that anymore you know and it
01:47:39.141 --> 01:47:42.461
is it's one of those things like is it going to help something i
01:47:42.461 --> 01:47:47.181
don't know maybe if it's important to you then then you keep doing it and if
01:47:47.181 --> 01:47:52.521
it's if it's so important that you you think your kids need to do it then you
01:47:52.521 --> 01:47:56.861
teach them how to do it you know and that jeff writes letters to some of his
01:47:56.861 --> 01:48:00.081
buddies they gotta they have their own committee so.
01:48:01.896 --> 01:48:06.216
What good is it going to do? I don't know, long term.
01:48:06.476 --> 01:48:14.536
But I think I agree. I think it's smart to allow that to be sort of a special
01:48:14.536 --> 01:48:16.756
thing for you. I don't know.
01:48:17.756 --> 01:48:23.696
Maybe it allows more creativity because you're using your own thoughts and you're
01:48:23.696 --> 01:48:27.016
less influenced by what you're seeing.
01:48:27.756 --> 01:48:32.436
It's more like you said. I'm just doing this for me. I'll be doing it if I was
01:48:32.436 --> 01:48:34.876
out in a field or if everyone was watching, it doesn't matter.
01:48:36.096 --> 01:48:38.836
Maybe same thing. If you don't have a screen in front of you,
01:48:38.976 --> 01:48:43.456
not watching what, all right, what's the most popular videos that people are sharing?
01:48:43.996 --> 01:48:47.296
I don't need to make that. I just, I don't even need to know about that for
01:48:47.296 --> 01:48:51.616
me to make a video that I like, you know, or write a letter that,
01:48:51.736 --> 01:48:53.196
that I'm going to like. Right.
01:48:53.936 --> 01:48:58.376
It's interesting. I've always thought that you can tell a lot about a person,
01:48:58.376 --> 01:49:03.716
a person's priorities, if you could follow them around secretly throughout the
01:49:03.716 --> 01:49:06.716
day and see whenever they have completely free time,
01:49:07.036 --> 01:49:12.616
nothing pressing, nothing they're supposed to be doing, that they can do anything they want,
01:49:12.996 --> 01:49:17.616
what kind of things do they use their completely free time for?
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I asked this question two weeks ago to a group of, they were all teenage boys,
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all boys. I think it was about 14, 15 of them, a little group that I was talking to.
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And I said, so what's some things that when you have free time,
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nothing else to do, no homework to do, no chores, what kind of things do y'all do?
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I asked the question three times. You know, sometimes you got to wait a while.
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One of them finally speaks first. No, why won't I speak first?
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And a couple of them were looking down. A couple of them were snickering.
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And they were snickering because suddenly it hit me. I said,
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oh my goodness. I said, I'm too old to be talking to y'all about this.
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Y'all all do the same thing, don't you, when you have free time?
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And a couple of them, the ones that were snickering, they grinned.
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I said, does every one of y'all, when you have free time, go to your device,
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your phone, or whatever?
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And every one of them, if you have free time, that's what you always do?
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And just about every one of them, yeah. mm-hmm so i'm not saying that's good
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or that's bad but it tells me something about a person that's your free time
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tells you something about your priorities what you really like to do what you
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want to do what and i guess if you go to what what makes you the happiest that's what they do,
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so it's making them happy but is that something should make you be the most
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important thing for your happiness i don't know i'm uh i'm rambling here i'm
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like i'm searching around you know i know what this is going to lead to, maybe nothing,
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but I just can't see much good coming out of it. I don't know how much improvement there is.
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There's some good things, communication in a certain way, but you need some
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face-to-face communication, you need relationships. You need to have an attention
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span a little longer than a few seconds.
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I think, I don't know, the way I feel about it right now is that it's an ability to,
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use it as an ability right and then to
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not use it as an ability and if you're
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not constantly practicing both then
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i think you'll get you'll be left behind in
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one way or the other so i don't think you can go all in on technology and i
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don't think you can go all in in avoiding it i think i think you need to at
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least educate yourself if you're not uh practicing it i think you need to at
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least educate yourself on it.
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And then I would like to say that I practice both.
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Even if it's just an idea or it's just a hobby or it's, I do like,
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I like the sort of like survivalist mentality.
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I like the idea of what if it all goes down?
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How am I going to be? I like the idea that might be okay.
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Now, that's a question that when you ask that, it's hard to get an honest answer.
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What would you feel like if for the next two months you couldn't have a phone or any device at all?
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Many people would be pretty distraught at that once they started that process after a day or two.
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And you know there's no such thing as a good addiction. Did you know that?
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If you look up the word addiction, addiction is always bad things.
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You don't get addicted to good things. Our nature is not like that.
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Only bad things get us addicted to it.
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So maybe that points just a little bit to maybe where
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it's not all that good sometimes but like i
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said i don't really know yeah about just my view
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of it like you know for it's it's one of those things it's like for business
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you know we're an old place do you say well we don't do we don't use technology
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we've been here forever we're not going to use technology we're not going to
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get we're not going to send out automated email.
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Well, what happens if we don't? No one else is going to stop.
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Are we going to get crushed by that? I don't want that to be on me.
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The reason we fail is because we're so stubborn that we're not adopting this new technology.
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Okay. I think you're starting to separate it here.
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It's not just a technology. It's what you said, But you got to have both.
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You got to have, you got to control it, not control you. That addiction you're
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talking about, that's when the thing starts controlling the person.
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But as long as you keep yourself in control and you can take it or leave it,
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it doesn't rule you. Yeah. That's where you got to stay.
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So, yeah, using emails, that's a tool. It's a useful tool.
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Sometimes even the device, you know, talking to somebody face-to-face or being
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able to do things with your phone.
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Some of those are a tool that help you do something that's important and helps you.
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And the other way to do it would be more costly and take much longer and wouldn't work as well.
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But that same tool, if you let yourself over to it,
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for instance, I don't know if you have any idea what the statistics are on pornography
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now that you don't have to go ask a grown-up behind the counter for a,
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a pornographic magazine.
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Right. Everybody has billions of pornographic magazines in their pocket,
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not even 10 and 12-year-olds.
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The statistics are frightening in this country and in other parts of the world,
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too, but America's the worst.
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So that in itself is a tool that's being used not for good, and it's a temptation.
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Anyway, that's one little thing. That's one little thing that they do.
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It's not the only thing, but you got to stay in control, not the device.
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And when you feel like you can't do without something, now you're dependent
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on it. Now, who's in control?
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All right. Now, tie that into parenting and...
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That's hard, too. It's hard to. Absolutely.
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I don't want my kids to be computer illiterate or not understand how these things
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work or not get hired because they don't know how.
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All their peers have been on video games, and the parents give them the tablet
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since they're three years old.
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And then my kids have never even, they can't turn it on because we just don't
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really do it. I don't want that either.
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Right. So that's hard. And that's, those are some of the decisions that,
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you know, we're, we're kind of trying to make now.
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It's too bad there's something available that, that you can completely customize
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to what's available and what's not, but that you can't.
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Well, maybe. Yeah, maybe, maybe that is, you know, enabling certain things.
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And as they, as they progress and you trust, then you, you offer a little more.
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Well, now you can use this, you know. Although by the time they're in their
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teens, they learn to find ways to get around those blockages.
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I've seen that. Right. I've seen that. I've experienced it. Anyway.
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Yeah, that's the thing. That's a big change in our world. If you can look back
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far enough, it's a big change and I don't know the results of it yet.
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I just see some small things, but I don't know.
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I don't know if it's going to be more bad. Well, even, you know,
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I guess the way I came up was more, it was less phone. It was more TV.
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So. I was never addicted to TV. You know, I. Although some people probably were.
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Yeah. I mean, I don't know if there was a day that the TV wasn't on in the house.
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You know what I mean? When I was growing up.
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And we would kind of have maybe some little nightly routine stuff.
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Cook dinner, sit down, eat dinner, watch some TV, watch some TV before bed.
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I've gone through periods where I played like decent amount of video games.
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I was never like an all-day, it's-all-I-can-do type of kid. I had friends that
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were like that. That's all they're doing.
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But when I was growing up, it was TV. Now you can almost get away with having
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no TV because everyone's, if they had their preference, they would just look
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at what they want to look at on their phone. Yes.
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And everyone would, they're okay sitting down, but we can all just sit down
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and we can all just look at what we want to. And when I want to say something, I can just say it.
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And with TV, my growing up, it was the family sitting around.
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We all, now we're all watching a television show.
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Somebody else did, but we're all watching and we laugh with each other.
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We talk about the show. We have some interaction.
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It's a group thing. But this one device, that's isolating in a way.
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It's one person at a time usually. So it's not quite the same as TV.
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And like you said, the video games on the
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TV are probably much more addicting than watching television shows and
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here's the other thing is like you're all
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right if you're going to control with your what your kids are
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able to do with their phone then you're controlling their influences that's
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no different than controlling which friends you're going to allow them to hang
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out with and is that a bad idea it's not a bad idea oh no if there's a friend
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that you as an adult you see that that's a bad influence you don't want them to hang out.
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We send our kids to school that is an
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influence that influences them we're controlling
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the way they turn out and i think people forget that
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that you can do that and you should you should you should influence your kids
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the way you as the more responsible person think is best for them up until they
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can make their own decisions and i think maybe people don't don't agree with that And they think,
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you know, it's okay for my 10 year old to have more influence from their phone
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coming from who knows where,
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then worry about,
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well, would my older brother agree with that?
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Or would my uncle agree with that?
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Or this people, these people who are here now that already trust me,
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like, let's, let me get their opinion first on this before I just say,
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no, I've been watching this guy for three years.
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I'm already, I'm all in and I'm not changing my mind. Y'all can't change my
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mind. This is what I like.
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You know, that's, I don't know why you wouldn't be okay doing that.
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Listen to an oversimplified version of this 40 years ago.
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Somebody in my house is talking.
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Maybe I don't know him that well. Maybe I do, whatever. But he's talking and
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telling a story and my kids all around.
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And he lets out grow a profanity that we don't use. And I'll say something. And this happened.
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Come on, man, my kid's right. He says, oh, you don't think they go hear those
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words when they get out in the world?
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Well, yeah, but when you join the army, you go to boot camp.
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They don't put you in the front line that day. So, look, you learn how to shoot and fight or you go die.
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You train them first until they can make their own decisions based on right
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and wrong and learn right and wrong. Yeah.
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So, it's the same thing. Yeah, you got to guide your kids and still there's
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no guarantees, but you still got to do what you can as long as you still have
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them under your care. That's what you're supposed to be doing.
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Everybody, every parent. But, yes, some of them have these weird ideas about,
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oh, well, all their friends got it, you know, so they know they get it.
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So they're going to think, you know, that I'm not as good as their parents are.
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So I'm going to let them do it too.
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I also have problems agreeing with people who they let the kids choose whatever they want to do.
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That's what they're going to be interested in. so I
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just disagree with that because if I'm raising my kids
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I'm raising my kids and I want obviously I want the best for my kids
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and if there's something that I have
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that I I learned all you know 10 these
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10 lessons from or these 10 character traits I
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attribute it to this thing this whether it's
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baseball whatever for me I can
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easily attribute almost all of my care my my you know tangible or intangible
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skills i can attribute it almost all to hunting and fishing if i if i wanted
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to if you made me write it down i could i could write you an essay on how it all works so.
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That's going to be part of my kids' school and education. That is no different
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than them going to science or PE or whatever they got to do.
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It's the same. And I'm taking my ownership.
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I'm not saying, well, if you like to hunt, you can hunt. I'm saying I'm teaching
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you the curriculum of hunting.
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Here it is. You're going to learn patience. You're going to learn courage or
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whatever these list of things are.
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It's not up for you to choose if you like it or not.
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So I'm, I'm, this is the way I want to parent is I want to say,
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what are these things that are super important?
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What's the most efficient way for me to teach it to them before they're 18?
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If it's not hunting, then I'm not going to choose hunting. But for me,
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a lot of them, it might be hunting, fishing, and I'm going to use that thing
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to, that's my curriculum.
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That's much cheaper than me renting a, I don't know, an attitude adjustment
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person to come, to come fix whatever my, my kids don't understand.
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Yeah. And if they had somebody called that, I wouldn't hire him. Yeah.
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Yeah. But I think people have a problem doing that. And they do.
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I'm glad you said that. I don't know why.
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I went to a parenting conference years and years ago and a guy said,
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you know, people talk about spending time with your kids, spending time with your kids.
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So you think about the wording of that sentence. He said, the best that'll get
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you is maybe a trip to Disneyland. In other words, whatever your kids like and
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want to do, go do it with them.
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That way you're with your kids and people think, oh yeah, that's what you need to do he said no.
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These kids to spend time with you. Take them hunting, fishing with you.
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Take them into the workplace, see where daddy works. Give them something to do while they're there.
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Teach them to work at home. Get them ready for life.
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Have your kids around you, but don't follow them around what you want to do
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next and let them make decisions.
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They're not learning how to- Yeah, you can't teach them anything.
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You got to guide them. Don't let them guide you. Come on.
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You can't teach them anything. If you know nothing about computers and you're
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going to sit down and have this bonding time, that's fine. But that's not the curriculum.
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When are you teaching them things? What life? You know?
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Yeah. So a buddy of mine, Jonah, husbands, you see him at spars all the time.
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I bet he usually sits by himself.
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Jonah's rule for, we were talking about jujitsu.
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He does jujitsu. But Jonah's rule for his kids was that that is a non-negotiable.
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It is not if you like it thing. It is a you will do it thing.
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Other things are negotiable. So if you want to play a sport,
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you can choose which sport you're going to play.
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If you want to do band, whatever the other things are, there are extracurriculars,
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but those are extracurriculars.
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This is the priority and you will do it. And it's because of the things he knows
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it'll instill and teach, you know.
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But before he said it, I never heard anyone say it so sternly and not wavering.
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And no, I've decided they know the deal. Here's how it works.
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And right when he said that, I was like, I don't even know if I had kids yet.
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But I was like, that's what I'm doing.
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Like, all right, I'm going to pick my things. It may not be Jiu-Jitsu. too.
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It may not be fishing, may not be hunting, but when it is, that's what it is.
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And it might be for three years.
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And then, okay, you've learned these lessons through this thing that I enjoy
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and I'm really good at, and I have more knowledge to teach you than anyone else does with this.
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You made it the three years. Now, yes, you don't need to come sit in a 15 degree,
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tree with me for four hours.
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You don't need to do that. You've passed the part of the curriculum.
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Now, if you think it's enjoyable, come do it and I'll show you to rest.
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Up until a certain point, I'm adamant on, no, you're going to learn it.
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Yes. You're going to learn how to do it.
02:05:41.438 --> 02:05:44.958
There's such a thing as a, they call it acquiring a taste. Now,
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that's usually applied to food.
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And it works with food. Look at Brody's kids.
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They were given vegetables most of the time raw from the day we were born.
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There's nothing they won't eat.
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And parents have these picky kids that are, it gets extreme sometimes.
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And the parents are all worried about them, like they might starve.
02:06:04.498 --> 02:06:06.798
But that works for other things too,
02:06:07.718 --> 02:06:10.978
and like you said they don't have to love hunting but they've done it they're
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not scared about it they know about it and they can choose something based on
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that but teach them the kind of things that you like that you think are good,
02:06:19.438 --> 02:06:23.218
for instance my kids have seen some movies that no kids their age have seen
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watch those old movies that never have any bad words or any bad thing in them
02:06:27.278 --> 02:06:28.878
and they love all those old movies,
02:06:29.898 --> 02:06:34.378
now I made them watch them at first most of them were black and white It didn't
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have the, speaking of the new movies too, talking about technology.
02:06:39.678 --> 02:06:42.838
If you notice, especially the superhero movies and all the action movies,
02:06:43.158 --> 02:06:48.758
the action is super, super fast. And the scenes are less than one and a half seconds per scene.
02:06:49.038 --> 02:06:51.298
I mean, there's that attention span. You got to be fed that.
02:06:51.458 --> 02:06:54.898
And that takes away from some of your self-control.
02:06:55.438 --> 02:06:58.938
But anyway, acquiring a taste. Get them to do those things you like,
02:06:58.998 --> 02:07:03.198
you think are good. just so they won't have a fear of doing something they never
02:07:03.198 --> 02:07:05.638
did before or liking something they never tried before.
02:07:06.418 --> 02:07:09.978
You know, whether it's food or trying something or watching a movie or listening
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to a song, whatever it is, read a book.
02:07:13.898 --> 02:07:21.418
A lot of these iPhone people can't read books anymore. It's way too slow. It's hard for me too.
02:07:22.178 --> 02:07:27.438
It's hard. I do much better with listening with audio books because I'm too
02:07:27.438 --> 02:07:29.698
impatient to sit, sit and read.
02:07:30.478 --> 02:07:34.998
Once I've gotten in the groove, I know that I enjoy it more.
02:07:35.238 --> 02:07:39.538
I, I, I recognize it and I, I'll say things like, this is nice.
02:07:40.138 --> 02:07:42.778
And then it just. For the audio book, you can do something. Yeah.
02:07:42.778 --> 02:07:47.978
I can drive or whatever, but I can't make it last super long, but I know that.
02:07:48.958 --> 02:07:52.318
If you just, if you made me write a list of things I need to get better at,
02:07:52.418 --> 02:07:54.018
that would be one of them. Like, you know.
02:07:55.258 --> 02:08:03.178
Interesting. Well, I can't wait to see how Jeff goes forward.
02:08:04.198 --> 02:08:07.998
Yeah, I have no idea. That's an interesting thing to me.
02:08:08.898 --> 02:08:13.078
I've been pleasantly surprised with some of my children and opposite with a
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couple of them. You just don't know. You do what you can.
02:08:18.598 --> 02:08:21.818
I didn't do well, especially at first.
02:08:22.538 --> 02:08:24.878
Started doing a little better later, but there's a lot of things.
02:08:24.878 --> 02:08:26.818
If I did it over, I'd do it a lot different.
02:08:28.356 --> 02:08:31.356
There's only so much you can do. Don't have complete control,
02:08:31.416 --> 02:08:33.196
but do what you can while you got them.
02:08:33.436 --> 02:08:36.936
It's like starting out somebody. You've got to get them through those upright
02:08:36.936 --> 02:08:39.916
poles way down there on a bicycle. You've got to keep steering them and,
02:08:39.916 --> 02:08:41.236
okay, hold it just like that.
02:08:41.556 --> 02:08:44.336
You can't go past that line. No, I can't steer you after that line.
02:08:44.776 --> 02:08:48.876
Once they pass that line, if they miss, they miss. There's nothing you can do by that time.
02:08:49.656 --> 02:08:51.476
You have so many years to steer them.
02:08:52.396 --> 02:08:56.316
What about the huge family that you have?
02:08:57.476 --> 02:09:03.616
How's that of i guess how do you how do you think that affects everything having.
02:09:05.136 --> 02:09:07.976
Seven kids versus two kids what what has
02:09:07.976 --> 02:09:11.936
that been because you grew up in a household of seven and then you've maintained
02:09:11.936 --> 02:09:17.496
an enormous household i'm sure you couldn't imagine it or see it any other way
02:09:17.496 --> 02:09:21.596
i'm sure you couldn't no i did always want a big family i did you know i came
02:09:21.596 --> 02:09:25.416
from what was considered a pretty big family especially when you bring all the
02:09:25.416 --> 02:09:27.256
cousins which were around us all the time.
02:09:27.856 --> 02:09:31.016
There were always a lot of bourgeoisies around, so I liked that.
02:09:31.896 --> 02:09:36.296
But the jury is still a little bit out on whether I maybe shouldn't have had
02:09:36.296 --> 02:09:37.556
quite as big of a family or not.
02:09:37.676 --> 02:09:40.476
I'm still glad that I had plenty of children and raised plenty of children.
02:09:41.356 --> 02:09:44.236
I do wonder if I would have done better with less.
02:09:44.776 --> 02:09:48.596
But I don't know. It would have been the same me maybe doing the same thing,
02:09:48.716 --> 02:09:53.296
so I don't know that I would have, but I just wish I had another trial.
02:09:53.476 --> 02:09:56.736
But you don't get another trial in life. It's life. That's just how life is.
02:09:57.236 --> 02:10:01.136
So I don't know. But I do like, you know, we had everybody for the first time
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in a couple of years yesterday. How many grandkids do you have?
02:10:04.896 --> 02:10:08.796
I think it's 14 with three on the way, I think. Last count I heard.
02:10:10.116 --> 02:10:15.316
Anyway, so I like all that. But I don't know about as far as the size,
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if that wound up really being a good thing. I will say hands down.
02:10:20.116 --> 02:10:24.476
Well, once again, I'm talking about something that didn't happen.
02:10:24.496 --> 02:10:25.576
So I don't know how to turn that.
02:10:25.716 --> 02:10:30.236
But it just seemed like I wish I'd have done it the way I would have always
02:10:30.236 --> 02:10:35.576
wanted to do with one family, one wife, whether it was 11 kids or 20 or six.
02:10:36.616 --> 02:10:39.576
There was, you know, breaking up the family. That was painful.
02:10:40.176 --> 02:10:42.276
That did some damage. It really did.
02:10:43.804 --> 02:10:47.744
And some of the kids, to some extent, they've come through it, and it is what it is.
02:10:48.004 --> 02:10:52.384
I just wish it would have been the right way. Sure. It didn't turn out that way.
02:10:52.744 --> 02:10:55.244
Yep. It didn't for me either.
02:10:56.524 --> 02:11:03.684
I'm on the bright side of things now, and I like how everything turned out.
02:11:03.844 --> 02:11:08.364
And again, I couldn't imagine anything any other way now.
02:11:08.984 --> 02:11:16.924
But yeah, it would definitely be easier to have one family. That would be easier. Yeah.
02:11:17.424 --> 02:11:20.704
And introduce some things that don't have to be there, you know.
02:11:20.864 --> 02:11:24.304
Sure. But when it does happen, you do whatever you can do. Yep.
02:11:24.584 --> 02:11:29.504
I think if you find the right person that you can do that with,
02:11:30.504 --> 02:11:31.544
then I think. Oh, you're right.
02:11:31.604 --> 02:11:34.604
Yeah, I think in my situation then where it's like I couldn't,
02:11:34.664 --> 02:11:37.504
I really couldn't imagine another circumstance.
02:11:38.364 --> 02:11:44.404
You know, all in all, big, big picture. Don't think it could be better. Right.
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No, I'm the same way. The comeback was as good as it could have been. Correct.
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And you don't know what that's going to look like until it happens.
02:11:54.364 --> 02:11:57.184
And it's nothing you can plan or hope for, really.
02:11:57.364 --> 02:12:00.244
It just turns out the way it turns out.
02:12:00.484 --> 02:12:02.804
Yeah, you have control over some things, but not everything.
02:12:03.764 --> 02:12:07.664
Yep, yep, yep. I can't wait to start doing boy things.
02:12:08.684 --> 02:12:13.404
Well, we do boy things with the girls. Yeah. We're very, we do a lot of boy things with the girls.
02:12:13.624 --> 02:12:21.324
I've always tried to be a little purposefully rougher with them and a little less, uh,
02:12:22.164 --> 02:12:26.884
try to, I guess, play into a little less of the maybe needier,
02:12:27.104 --> 02:12:31.224
needy stuff, like needy girl stuff. Right.
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I try to kind of push independency and, and I don't know. I think it's kind of working. We'll see.
02:12:41.204 --> 02:12:44.524
We'll just see. Just let them think. We'll just be surprised.
02:12:45.004 --> 02:12:48.624
Make them think. Be thinkers. Not just followers.
02:12:49.744 --> 02:12:51.824
Yeah. That's all we can hope for.
02:12:54.184 --> 02:12:59.044
You had a lot of ants and uncles too. Yeah. And they were, and they were around.
02:12:59.344 --> 02:13:00.544
The uncles were around in one ant.
02:13:01.204 --> 02:13:04.864
Yeah. Two ants in Lafayette. Yeah. I think that's.
02:13:05.104 --> 02:13:08.784
Yeah. I saw them a lot too. The ones that were here. Yeah. I think that's cool.
02:13:08.944 --> 02:13:10.244
That's good too. That was.
02:13:10.604 --> 02:13:14.744
I still pass the houses whenever I'm driving around and think of them every
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single time. Every time I pass.
02:13:17.824 --> 02:13:24.984
Yeah. I think that'll fall to the wayside a bit as the The world continues.
02:13:25.324 --> 02:13:29.944
I think the big families and just the aunts and uncles hanging around and the
02:13:29.944 --> 02:13:34.284
cousins and stuff, I think that stuff, it must be on the decline.
02:13:34.444 --> 02:13:35.504
It's got to be. I don't know.
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People aren't saying, put as much. Yeah. Families are breaking apart.
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You have less good marriages than you used to, and that's increasing. Yeah.
02:13:46.084 --> 02:13:49.784
And then the other weird things that's going on out there is going to make families worse.
02:13:49.964 --> 02:13:52.804
So there's a lot of things coming against families, traditional families.
02:13:52.804 --> 02:13:54.404
Oh, here's a good question.
02:13:54.924 --> 02:14:00.704
I think about this often, but this area, all right, has always been home to
02:14:00.704 --> 02:14:02.844
me, you know, Schriever, Thibodeau.
02:14:03.444 --> 02:14:06.524
I've never considered really living anywhere else.
02:14:06.664 --> 02:14:13.384
You know, even when I was overseas, my plan, I did have some plans that didn't turn out.
02:14:13.564 --> 02:14:17.224
I didn't have them for long, but I have had plans to not be here,
02:14:17.724 --> 02:14:19.904
you know, to not come back here.
02:14:19.904 --> 02:14:22.884
But not in pursuit of like a location more
02:14:22.884 --> 02:14:25.924
of a career path and i i knew
02:14:25.924 --> 02:14:28.824
once i was on that career path it would have led me
02:14:28.824 --> 02:14:34.124
i wouldn't have been here i couldn't have done it here but those urges i guess
02:14:34.124 --> 02:14:39.224
didn't last very long until it was like no the the area is is a little more
02:14:39.224 --> 02:14:44.904
important to me i do want to be back here i like being close to you know close
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to shriever close to mom,
02:14:46.224 --> 02:14:52.524
close to the golf and close to the woods and just this, this area.
02:14:54.770 --> 02:15:01.690
But we had a flood this past hurricane that is like one of those truly,
02:15:01.750 --> 02:15:09.650
it was like slap in the face moments like, man, what's this street going to be like in 50 years?
02:15:09.750 --> 02:15:11.810
Or what's this location?
02:15:12.050 --> 02:15:14.310
What is this going to be like in 50 years?
02:15:14.650 --> 02:15:22.650
And in a thousand year span, whose job is it going to be to call a location
02:15:22.650 --> 02:15:27.430
audible? Like if you look at our family tree, we come from all over.
02:15:27.550 --> 02:15:32.510
We come from this way, from, you know, Raceland, Gaines area, and it came this way.
02:15:32.710 --> 02:15:34.870
And a couple of them kept going that way.
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Yeah. So, you know, there was someone who said, okay, here, this is the place. Yeah.
02:15:42.370 --> 02:15:47.130
But whose job is it going to be to say, guys, this ain't doing too well.
02:15:47.130 --> 02:15:48.850
Because something got them moving. Yeah.
02:15:49.410 --> 02:15:54.770
This isn't doing too well. But whose job is it gonna be to find that next hub?
02:15:54.910 --> 02:15:56.670
And they didn't wanna leave home either, but some pushed them.
02:15:56.670 --> 02:15:58.850
They didn't want to. No, they didn't want to. They were pushed.
02:16:00.414 --> 02:16:06.114
Yeah, whether it's economically driven, and I don't want to end up in a ghost
02:16:06.114 --> 02:16:11.474
town, or it's geography, and I don't want to end up underwater.
02:16:11.494 --> 02:16:14.794
I don't want to end up needing to rebuild this building 10 feet in the air.
02:16:17.614 --> 02:16:26.634
I joke about this, but seriously, when are you launching your boat up at Lafourche,
02:16:26.714 --> 02:16:29.454
and you're taking your boat to where we are right now? When?
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It could happen. That's scary.
02:16:33.874 --> 02:16:36.794
And if nothing is touched, it could happen.
02:16:37.254 --> 02:16:41.874
And then you throw in the fact of you got people in positions that can make
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decisions that can cause things like that to happen. And it's all because just of a good idea.
02:16:47.494 --> 02:16:51.374
They just got a good idea and they want their name on a bridge somewhere.
02:16:51.534 --> 02:16:55.234
They want their name on a dam somewhere. And now it's happening.
02:16:56.894 --> 02:17:01.934
Dude, I could have much quicker. Yeah. That stuff's scary. But yeah, what's this?
02:17:03.814 --> 02:17:07.354
I like thinking about it because it's fun, but I hate thinking about it.
02:17:07.494 --> 02:17:12.694
I like looking at a building and say, will that building be there 200 years from now?
02:17:14.314 --> 02:17:18.554
That's sort of a gut-wrenching thing. I do the opposite.
02:17:19.454 --> 02:17:23.914
I don't know why. I see an old house like the one by Ducro that they just tore down.
02:17:24.094 --> 02:17:26.914
I say, man, what was that house? What was it? They built it when they first
02:17:26.914 --> 02:17:28.154
moved in, all fresh paint.
02:17:28.414 --> 02:17:32.294
They were so happy to have this house. And then they were tickled to death, brand new house.
02:17:32.434 --> 02:17:36.954
The first time I ever felt that or thought about that was when we tore down
02:17:36.954 --> 02:17:38.374
the little shed behind mom's house.
02:17:38.934 --> 02:17:41.874
Really? So, you remember the barn? Yeah.
02:17:41.914 --> 02:17:48.134
Well, they had the barn and then an extension of the house, there was a little shed. Oh, that shed.
02:17:48.534 --> 02:17:53.934
And I don't know if it was like a hair salon.
02:17:54.094 --> 02:17:55.954
It might've been a hair salon at some point. That's what it looks like.
02:17:56.094 --> 02:18:00.054
Something like that. It was a business. but I'll never forget.
02:18:01.387 --> 02:18:05.047
The grapple bucket on the tractor i got a box blade and
02:18:05.047 --> 02:18:07.947
i'm just about destroyed all of this stuff and we're
02:18:07.947 --> 02:18:11.187
we're grabbing we're renting a garbage can
02:18:11.187 --> 02:18:14.827
right we're renting a big dump metal dumpster to
02:18:14.827 --> 02:18:17.807
have this stuff hauled away we're paying money for it yes
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and i remember thinking god when someone
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because you know at this time we were
02:18:23.987 --> 02:18:27.667
just we were breaking ground on the new market oh
02:18:27.667 --> 02:18:30.447
right and i'm like man i remember what
02:18:30.447 --> 02:18:33.407
we went through to get this market built i remember sitting in here
02:18:33.407 --> 02:18:36.187
drawing up on graph paper for years and years
02:18:36.187 --> 02:18:41.327
and years planning and planning and planning i'm like man someone planned all
02:18:41.327 --> 02:18:45.927
of this and they were they couldn't wait to get started and they started and
02:18:45.927 --> 02:18:48.967
they were so excited then they couldn't wait to paint it they couldn't wait
02:18:48.967 --> 02:18:53.887
to put equipment in it and i cannot wait to just destroy it and get it the hell
02:18:53.887 --> 02:18:55.907
out of here Like, that's all I'm thinking about.
02:18:56.067 --> 02:18:59.067
And you think about how they felt moving around the security,
02:18:59.207 --> 02:19:02.127
man. We have a house for years and years and years and years and years now.
02:19:02.447 --> 02:19:06.467
Come see our new house. Come over. I'm just grabbing it and I'm just yanking.
02:19:07.387 --> 02:19:10.587
I'm yanking the struts out the walls with the grapple bucket. Yes.
02:19:10.827 --> 02:19:15.007
And their best idea they ever had was to build it.
02:19:15.127 --> 02:19:19.687
And the best idea we ever had was to take it away. We got to get that out of
02:19:19.687 --> 02:19:22.487
here. That's such a weird, weird thing.
02:19:23.167 --> 02:19:29.027
And yeah, you see it all over. How about this similar principle used with land?
02:19:29.787 --> 02:19:33.287
Highway 308 and Highway 1 on both sides of the Wilde Fouche.
02:19:35.327 --> 02:19:40.887
In the 60s, probably 50s too, and before that, a lot of the cattle that were
02:19:40.887 --> 02:19:43.947
custom slaughtered here, in fact, some of them that were bought for the place,
02:19:44.347 --> 02:19:45.787
came from all the pastures.
02:19:45.927 --> 02:19:49.087
People were raising a few calves every year with their farm, whatever.
02:19:49.707 --> 02:19:56.627
All those places. and now 30, 40 years later, those parents have passed on.
02:19:56.927 --> 02:20:02.847
They gave their land to the kids, and the kids took what money they could get from them.
02:20:03.287 --> 02:20:07.667
They're making subdivisions out of it. And now all that land that was used to
02:20:07.667 --> 02:20:10.807
live off of that they got money out of, the cattle grazed on it,
02:20:10.847 --> 02:20:13.067
they grew crops, and the land fed them.
02:20:13.347 --> 02:20:17.747
Now they're pouring money into the land, giving it to lawn guys usually,
02:20:17.747 --> 02:20:23.487
paying to keep the grass cut and keep all the plants looking just right,
02:20:23.627 --> 02:20:27.107
trimming the edges, pouring money into the land, make it look good to the eye.
02:20:27.847 --> 02:20:32.527
That's a big change from getting substance from the land, not paying to make
02:20:32.527 --> 02:20:34.027
the land look good to other people.
02:20:35.167 --> 02:20:40.587
Big change. And that's a reversal too. You want the house and now we got to get rid of the house.
02:20:41.167 --> 02:20:46.347
It's the difference in what people value or see. And those kids got that big
02:20:46.347 --> 02:20:49.487
chunk of money one time. and then we get another penny out of that land. Mm-hmm.
02:20:51.350 --> 02:20:54.150
Probably built a big house with it on a little lot. Big.
02:20:55.770 --> 02:21:01.790
Yeah. Different values, huh? We value different things now. Although nobody's
02:21:01.790 --> 02:21:02.870
growing their own food anymore.
02:21:03.810 --> 02:21:08.730
It's almost not doable. Yeah, now it's more of a passion project.
02:21:09.350 --> 02:21:14.790
Even if you do the math on a lot of this stuff, it is not cheaper to do it yourself
02:21:14.790 --> 02:21:16.750
anymore. It's not cheaper to have chickens anymore.
02:21:17.230 --> 02:21:21.730
Nope. It's not. No. It's cheaper to go buy them. And the reason they can do
02:21:21.730 --> 02:21:25.830
it so much cheaper because of the scale they're doing it and the shortcuts they're
02:21:25.830 --> 02:21:27.770
taking using chemicals and all kind of tricks.
02:21:27.990 --> 02:21:31.290
And that's why our food's not quite as healthy as it ever was.
02:21:31.490 --> 02:21:34.330
Yeah. It's got stuff in it that shouldn't be and they got stuff that should
02:21:34.330 --> 02:21:35.530
be in it that's not in it. Yeah.
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The same with our, you know, look at our ground meat versus a supermarket ground meat. That's it.
02:21:42.210 --> 02:21:47.810
It's not the same. That's it. It's not the same. They cannot buy the meat we're
02:21:47.810 --> 02:21:51.130
buying and sell it for the price that they're selling it for.
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That means they have to take shortcuts.
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They have to put other stuff that we're not putting in it.
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They have to buy other things that were already ground up and frozen.
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And they're cheap because they're not desirable. Right.
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And it applies to all our food. That's why we can get it that cheap.
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The scale they're doing it in and the shortcuts they're using. Yeah.
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What a change. It'd be interesting to see. This area is such a weird area.
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It's, I don't know, Thibodeau's growing fast. Yeah, finally.
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Thibodeau wasn't growing for a long time.
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And Shriver's starting to not feel like Shriver anymore. Nope, you're right.
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Thibodeau always felt like Thibodeau, but Shriver felt like Shriver.
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And now Shriver doesn't feel like Shriver anymore, which is weird. Very weird.
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And I wonder, you know? I just wonder, I wonder what's next,
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what's next this way, this way, and this way.
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That way. What's going to happen? What can they do with this swamp though?
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They do pump out swamps. Someone's going to put a dam with their name on it somewhere.
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And tell people it's safe to build a house there. Yep, go ahead. I'll finance it.
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Yeah. Goodness. Alright. I think we're on two and a half right now.
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Let's kind of try to close it up with a few things and we'll do more of these, by the way.
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We'll do we'll do more of these more more focused
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and quicker we'll do we'll do like we can
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do some more short topic things that are
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more in and out which i do plan on getting more into
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once once i get kind of the people that uh
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kind of the stories i want to get out like like
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even brody i would like to have brody back and ask him some specific things
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and let it go 10 minutes 15 minutes and ribbit you know so we can come back
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and we can write down some i can give you some prompts ahead of time for like
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some specific stories and you can you can expand on specific incidences.
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So i like to get into this with everyone
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at some point in in an interview
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but i'd like
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to know from you what special things are things that you you hold special now
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even if you didn't at the time what what are some special things that were passed
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down to you truly passed down from someone in your family whether it was papa
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mama aunts uncle stuff like that but a direct,
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direct you know not something you learned online or through tv but from someone what are those things?
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Well, two things before I answer it exactly.
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We'd already talked about my trying to stay away from people.
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So it probably would have been hard for somebody to teach me directly the way you're talking about.
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The things that I did learn a lot was by example.
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And the most important one, I guess, was my dad putting me to work.
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And even though he didn't, like I told you, he wasn't instructing me and telling
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me before I started to do this, unless I would have asked him a question,
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which I didn't want to talk, so I didn't ask any questions.
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But I like that he taught me how to learn and how to teach myself,
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because you don't always have somebody to show you something,
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and sometimes you want to do something nobody's ever done before, sort of think.
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And making me to do those things that also taught me a work ethic. I wasn't scared of work.
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A lot of time, young people, it's hard to get them to work because you waited too long to start.
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And you just have this fear of it. That doesn't look fun at all.
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I like to do this. I don't want to work.
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And I've hired people at the paint store that you can tell that's how they were brought up.
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They're the things they have to be. And they live for the weekend.
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And that's kind of American culture anyway.
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Works the necessary evil. and that's not what work is supposed to be.
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I mean, God put us to work in the garden before we even sin.
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I mean, he gave us something to do.
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We're supposed to be useful. You know, we're supposed to produce.
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We're supposed to be active.
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And I guess that would be another thing that these devices we carry around kind of take away from.
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We're not moving our bodies very much.
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Not just exercise, but developing skills, producing things, working,
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helping others, whatever it is.
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Anyway, I'm glad Daddy made me work and taught me how to think and how to figure
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out things, be a little bit more self-reliant.
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And maybe that's why I'm maybe a little against the phones more than I should
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be, because I like my self-reliance, being able to figure stuff out if I need
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to without having to have a crutch, although I'll take one if I got one.
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Let's see. my, I had a few teachers in school that were outgoing enough to talk to me anyway.
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And I don't remember any specifics, but I remember in junior high and high school,
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I had two or three teachers that spoke to me very briefly about serious things.
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And it stuck with me because I didn't hear many serious things spoken to me.
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In fact, let's go back to my dad. I think my dad spoke to me seriously about
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something two times and actually gave me direct advice.
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It was extremely brief. It was just a statement he made.
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But since he hardly ever did that, to this day, I remember it.
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I was 12 years old and I'd been sweeping up, cleaning up the sawdust at the
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market for a year or two by then off and on.
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And now and then I would work a whole Saturday, 12 years old.
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And about the third or fourth time I worked a whole Saturday and it was in the
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summertime. I mean, wintertime, we were busy.
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I was in bed that night. I was already in bed. Light was out and daddy came.
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Brown wasn't sleeping with me, but then he was still in another bed.
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He came in and he, he said, here, put this under your pillow and put it in your
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bank. When you wake up, you give me a dollar.
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He said, you did a good job today. He says, let me tell you something about money. Save your money.
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So he gave me a direct thing about, oh, money's important. I need to save my
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money, don't spend my money.
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I thought of that often by the end. I didn't have any good context,
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but that was some serious advice he gave me, and I just never forgot it.
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It's a flash forward probably.
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30 years. No, 20 years. I was 32.
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My wife had left me, and I was very upset, and I went to talk to mom and dad anyway.
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He took me to Grand Isle the next day for one night.
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Went fishing and all, nut and chain. And we went to a restaurant,
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and we sit and we're eating.
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And he said, you know, you and
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your first wife, I thought y'all didn't communicate very well or enough.
02:28:49.437 --> 02:28:52.237
I think Like it would have been better if you all communicated more.
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And I think, I know what you're feeling right now. I know what you're thinking.
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But you just got to wait till you get over this. And don't think that marriage
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is bad. Find you another wife.
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That was it. That was as far as it went. That's almost word for word.
02:29:09.357 --> 02:29:13.057
So that was some direct thing. He spoke directly. And I paid attention because
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that was the only two times in my life he ever spoke quite like that to me.
02:29:16.377 --> 02:29:21.457
So I remembered that. That's a very small thing, but that was direct and it was from my dad.
02:29:22.577 --> 02:29:28.417
And as far as anybody else doing it directly, that's probably about it.
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Other than that, I learned by proxy or by doing or by trying to figure stuff out, thinking about it.
02:29:35.177 --> 02:29:37.497
I have gotten a lot out of some books I've read.
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And a couple, nine, then I hear somebody talking on a topic that I wanted to
02:29:42.177 --> 02:29:45.697
hear, and it was very helpful to me. I think I told you about a conference I
02:29:45.697 --> 02:29:50.237
went to about your kids spending time with you. That was a big thing for me.
02:29:51.477 --> 02:29:54.617
It was subtle, but it meant a difference. Don't just follow your kid around
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and make sure you buy him. Make sure your kid's by you.
02:29:57.757 --> 02:30:03.157
Yeah. Okay. That was a big lesson. Stuff like that. And things like emotions
02:30:03.157 --> 02:30:07.537
are good servants, but bad leaders, bad bosses.
02:30:08.077 --> 02:30:11.837
Don't follow your emotions around, but be in charge of your emotions.
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I'll be in charge of your phone. You don't let your phone be in charge of you. Stuff like that.
02:30:16.097 --> 02:30:20.477
Anyway, that's about as much as I can say on that because I was so away from people all the time.
02:30:20.757 --> 02:30:30.697
And what are you glad that you already passed down or at least are attempting
02:30:30.697 --> 02:30:36.297
to currently or you're going to or you want to? Pass down.
02:30:37.137 --> 02:30:41.037
I did try to pass down a work ethic, a good work ethic to my children.
02:30:41.677 --> 02:30:49.197
And let me think before I say it yeah I believe all of them have above average
02:30:49.197 --> 02:30:55.537
work average in their generation well you've got work ethic you've got you've got a couple under,
02:30:56.377 --> 02:30:59.417
you've got a couple under 20 who've who've.
02:31:00.749 --> 02:31:04.729
Some way have kind of ran their own businesses, right? Yeah,
02:31:05.069 --> 02:31:08.689
Anne's got her own little part-time job doing training with horses.
02:31:09.909 --> 02:31:14.349
She worked at a snowball stand all summer, and they love her.
02:31:14.469 --> 02:31:16.389
Yeah. They said, we don't have to do anything when she's there.
02:31:16.989 --> 02:31:20.509
So anyway, that's the two youngest. And I think the other ones,
02:31:20.649 --> 02:31:23.789
if you compare them by their own generation, at least, I think that their work
02:31:23.789 --> 02:31:26.189
ethic's considered better than many of the other ones.
02:31:26.429 --> 02:31:30.509
Not the best, but I'm satisfied with that. I'm happy with that because that's
02:31:30.509 --> 02:31:35.369
not good to try to avoid work and to think they'll get by without working much
02:31:35.369 --> 02:31:37.549
or without putting into it, you know? Right.
02:31:38.329 --> 02:31:41.669
So I like that I passed that down. I think you succeeded there.
02:31:43.189 --> 02:31:49.029
And we'll just make sure it keeps going. I did tell him that too at a young
02:31:49.029 --> 02:31:52.329
age that this is not just for y'all. This is for your children.
02:31:52.709 --> 02:31:54.669
Pass this on. Pass these things on.
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I struggle with this. it's like I want to say something or I want to teach something,
02:32:03.489 --> 02:32:05.349
and then I say they're not old enough,
02:32:06.509 --> 02:32:10.589
or there's no point in me saying that now that I need to say that a little later.
02:32:11.489 --> 02:32:15.409
I guess it depends on if it's something they're actually doing or if they're
02:32:15.409 --> 02:32:18.109
at a stage of life where that's something that they're encountering.
02:32:18.129 --> 02:32:21.049
Yeah, or is it something that, no, the second you think of it,
02:32:21.129 --> 02:32:24.169
you say it and then when you think of it again next year, you say it again and
02:32:24.169 --> 02:32:25.309
you think of it next year, you say it again.
02:32:25.729 --> 02:32:28.969
There's something to that. Something you kind of harp on.
02:32:30.969 --> 02:32:34.569
Yeah, I guess. That may be better because that way they've heard it more than once.
02:32:34.709 --> 02:32:38.209
And even if the first time they got very little out of it, they've heard it
02:32:38.209 --> 02:32:40.369
a few times, they start, oh, I get it.
02:32:40.469 --> 02:32:45.589
When you're talking to a kid, sometimes, sometimes you almost just need to talk
02:32:45.589 --> 02:32:51.009
out loud and not think that you're six, you're understanding what I'm saying.
02:32:51.529 --> 02:32:55.829
But I'm saying it anyway. Yeah. Because I'm practicing teaching you this.
02:32:55.829 --> 02:32:58.289
And one day I'll be able to say it and you'll understand it.
02:32:58.689 --> 02:33:01.529
So maybe that's a thing. Yeah, until they get that aha moment.
02:33:01.529 --> 02:33:04.769
Yeah, maybe that's how I need to look at it. Because a lot of times I'll go
02:33:04.769 --> 02:33:09.189
to say something and then I'll just avoid it and say, what's the point in saying that?
02:33:09.489 --> 02:33:13.769
I'll have to explain that for three hours for you to be able to use what I'm saying.
02:33:13.909 --> 02:33:18.049
We do need repetition, you're right. So I think maybe, yeah, definitely.
02:33:19.289 --> 02:33:24.449
All right, Uncle Biff, appreciate it. This is awesome. I think this is really good.
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A lot of people will maybe hear a lot of things they never heard and i am what
02:33:32.306 --> 02:33:39.086
i imagine is if there was a shelf right now and there was there was the file
02:33:39.086 --> 02:33:40.926
that we could pull right here from,
02:33:41.786 --> 02:33:46.046
valerie's interview and just pop it in and play it right that would be so cool
02:33:46.046 --> 02:33:51.446
so that's what this is that's what that's what i envisioned for this is it's
02:33:51.446 --> 02:33:54.226
not for us to like or to not like,
02:33:54.866 --> 02:33:58.146
or to care about too much or to take too seriously.
02:33:58.646 --> 02:34:02.326
It's for, it'll be somewhere and
02:34:02.326 --> 02:34:08.446
someone will find it and they will think it'll propel them in some way.
02:34:08.506 --> 02:34:10.926
It's some breadcrumbs. Yeah, that's what it is.
02:34:11.346 --> 02:34:16.986
And I think there's a lot of breadcrumbs just dropped in this.
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So I think it's something we can be proud of or not.
02:34:23.106 --> 02:34:26.126
Well history is intended to help you
02:34:26.126 --> 02:34:30.666
avoid mistakes that were already made i know and that goes
02:34:30.666 --> 02:34:34.066
back to if you have an efficient way
02:34:34.066 --> 02:34:41.346
to teach your kids something then use it it would be stupid of you not to it
02:34:41.346 --> 02:34:45.706
would be stupid of you to use a less efficient way like send them to school
02:34:45.706 --> 02:34:51.686
with someone you don't know and and rely solely on that person,
02:34:52.386 --> 02:34:57.246
like that's too much to ask of my kids teachers is for them that i'm not i can't
02:34:57.246 --> 02:35:03.666
plan on them teaching them everything but i think a lot of people assume that school's got it covered,
02:35:04.186 --> 02:35:09.886
and we just need to feed them and have them a place to stay but that's not i
02:35:09.886 --> 02:35:11.546
don't think that's at all the case?
02:35:12.246 --> 02:35:15.346
Well, if you know the teacher, the teacher has values. And even though they
02:35:15.346 --> 02:35:19.426
have a curriculum to teach, their values will filter into that.
02:35:19.486 --> 02:35:21.666
They can't help it. They can't help it. I can't either.
02:35:22.006 --> 02:35:27.246
If I'm talking about math or science or whatever, my values of right and wrong
02:35:27.246 --> 02:35:30.706
and good and bad and whatever are going to wind up working their way in there.
02:35:30.806 --> 02:35:37.226
And also proven by your case is that you don't need to be taught directly something
02:35:37.226 --> 02:35:40.806
for it to be a core value for the rest of your life.
02:35:41.126 --> 02:35:44.426
The person doesn't need to say anything. Not always. You can just be watching them.
02:35:45.766 --> 02:35:50.586
So yeah, if we have teachers that don't have the same values or coaches that
02:35:50.586 --> 02:35:56.566
don't have the same values as we have and we're relying on like I'm turning
02:35:56.566 --> 02:35:58.406
over my kids to you. Here you do it.
02:35:59.406 --> 02:36:03.486
All it takes is for them to just watch that person. And in public school they're
02:36:03.486 --> 02:36:07.386
having more time with your children than you are. So they're going to pick up those values.
02:36:07.986 --> 02:36:11.786
Yeah. Also with their peers, they're spending more time with peers than you
02:36:11.786 --> 02:36:14.246
two. And that's also some of the values they'll get from their peers.
02:36:16.606 --> 02:36:21.066
Yeah, for sure. All right. I think that's it for today. We'll do this.
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